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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    What source did I dismiss? RT? Yes because RT are proven liars, they are nothing but a state owned propaganda mill for the Kremlin if you disagree provide one single solitary RT article critical of Putin, I'll be waiting with baited breath.
    Criticisizing Putin is considered a terrorist act like the Kremlin.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    More patronising bull ****. If you think what you hear isn't being massaged then you'll believe anything, now that was funny.

    Massive corporations dominate the U.S. media landscape.
    Between print media, television, and radio there are innumerable owners, ownership of the media is decentralized in the US unlike in Russia where it is centralized by the state. Hell the US even allows the broadcast of fascist RT propaganda in this country; whereas, US news channels are banned in Russia, so spare me your laughable nonsense.


    Through a history of mergers and acquisitions, these companies have concentrated their control over what we see, hear and read. In many cases, these companies control everything from initial production to final distribution. In the interactive charts below we reveal who owns what.

    Who Owns the Media? | Free Press

    And of course these oligarchs have their interests and agenda.
    Notice that this guy has to ignore the entire bulk of my argument because he has no valid rebuttal. I will reiterate, every single solitary freedom index on the planet lists the US press as free; whereas, they list Russia's as not free. In the US we have an entire 24/7 news station and countless talk radio stations seemingly dedicated to criticizing the Obama administration and yet you can not find me one single solitary article from RT critical of Putin, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this stuff out. Hell I'll even allow you to expand your search parameters, provide any article/video from a Russia based news outlet critical of Putin, just one, you won't because you can't because they don't exist because Russia does not have a free press because Putin is an authoritarian little tin pot dictator.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Russia is already trying to back out of its commitment...

    Russia: No promises to release Ukraine pilot Savchenko
    What a shocker.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But I'll need to see what their response is to this.
    I already posted their immediate response. Why do you ignore it?

    Russia: No promises to release Ukraine pilot Savchenko

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I realise that you believe there is only a Western side to every story, which makes true debate with you difficult.
    There is no "Western" side to the Geneva Conventions. Both Russia and Ukraine are signatories.

    There is nothing ambiguous here. Lieutenant Savchenko was captured by enemy forces on the battlefield in military uniform. She is clearly a Prisoner of War (POW).
    Article 4

    A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

    1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
    The Geneva Convention clearly says that all POW's must be released "without delay" following the cessation of active hostilities (15 February 2015). In addition, the Minsk II Agreement (signed by Russia) clearly says an "all for all" exchange.

    Article 118

    Prisoners of war shall be released and repatriated without delay after the cessation of active hostilities.


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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Already the rebels are saying they will keep on shelling:

    Ukraine Cease-Fire Goes Into Effect, but Rebel Leader in Key Town Repudiates Accord

    New York Times
    February 14, 2015

    A fragile, European-brokered ceasefire deal for Ukraine appeared at risk of unraveling, at least in part, when a rebel leader announced Saturday night that he would not be bound by the accord on a central battlefield of the war.

    Although the Ukrainian president and the pro-Russian rebel leader both announced that the cease-fire had gone into effect, the separatist leader said it did not apply to Debaltseve, where thousands of Ukrainian troops have been under siege and might be surrounded. The rebel leader, Aleksandr Zakharchenko said the town, a critical railway hub, had not been mentioned specifically in the agreement.
    WTF? Zakharchenko signed the Minsk II Agreement himself...

    The document was signed by:

    Swiss diplomat and OSCE representative Heidi Tagliavini
    Former president of Ukraine and Ukrainian representative Leonid Kuchma
    Russian Ambassador to Ukraine and Russian representative Mikhail Zurabov
    DPR and LPR leaders Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky


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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Russian rebels reject cease-fire

    Ukraine rebels disavow ceasefire at encircled town

    what a bunch of lying scumbags.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    Russia has every right to use political and economic measures to protect Russia's sphere of influence.

    Military invasions? They have no such right.

    Ukraine aligning with the EU or even joining the EU, is not a military threat to Russia.
    Obviously Moscow disagrees with you and will advance their interests with out concern for Western hypocritical protestations.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    What source did I dismiss? RT? Yes because RT are proven liars, they are nothing but a state owned propaganda mill for the Kremlin if you disagree provide one single solitary RT article critical of Putin, I'll be waiting with baited breath.
    This isn't rt.

    “The more guilty one is in the perpetration of a dastardly crime,
    the more likely they are to accuse innocent parties of the very
    same atrocity.”

    There is no better example of this on the various geo-political battlefields dotting Planet Earth than the recent color revolution in the Ukraine. A violent revolution which was directly overseen and coordinated by the US-EU espionage agencies. Their highly calculated and preplanned coup d’état orchestrated in Kiev is as transparent as the audiotape of foul language used by Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the United States Department of State, in her conversation with the US ambassador to the Ukraine.

    Read more: The Ukraine Deception: US/EU-Directed Coup D'état Exposes Itself

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    If the US State Department's Victoria Nuland had not said "**** the EU," few outsiders at the time would have heard of Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt, the man on the other end of her famously bugged telephone call. But now Washington's man in Kiev is gaining fame as the face of the CIA-style "destabilization campaign" that brought down Ukraine's monumentally corrupt but legitimately elected President Viktor Yanukovych.

    http://readersupportednews.org/opini...e-coup-in-kiev

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    Last edited by Montecresto; 02-15-15 at 03:07 PM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I already posted their immediate response. Why do you ignore it?

    Russia: No promises to release Ukraine pilot Savchenko


    There is no "Western" side to the Geneva Conventions. Both Russia and Ukraine are signatories.

    There is nothing ambiguous here. Lieutenant Savchenko was captured by enemy forces on the battlefield in military uniform. She is clearly a Prisoner of War (POW).


    The Geneva Convention clearly says that all POW's must be released "without delay" following the cessation of active hostilities (15 February 2015). In addition, the Minsk II Agreement (signed by Russia) clearly says an "all for all" exchange.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Obviously Moscow disagrees with you and will advance their interests with out concern for Western hypocritical protestations.
    And this is why the Ruble has collapsed, they can't sell even ten percent of their bond offerings, they have a credit rating of "Junk", their politicians are advising them to eat less and use vegetable residue for makeup, and their economy is in deep recession.

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