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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Proven, bwahahahahaha, by who???????
    Here you are comrade, here are just 100 of their top ten lies:

    Russia's Top 100 Lies About Ukraine

    Only fascist Muscovite members of Putin's cult of personality put a single bit of stock into a single word printed by the Kremlin's ministry of propaganda IE Russia Today.
    Last edited by face, your; 02-14-15 at 12:49 AM.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Here you are comrade, here are just 100 of their top ten lies:

    Russia's Top 100 Lies About Ukraine

    Only fascist Muscovite members of Putin's cult of personality put a single bit of stock into a single word printed by the Kremlin's ministry of propaganda IE Russia Today.
    My favourite was the unbelievable BS the Kremlin generated around the MH 17 shootdown, it went well into 9/11 truther levels of lunacy. Like 9/11 though there were still nutjob western conspiracists desperate to indulge every improbable facet of it

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry, it is legal to take prisoners of war.
    It is indeed legal to capture prisoners of war. She was captured in Ukraine in full military uniform and interrogated as a POW. According to Article 12 of the Geneva Conventions regarding Prisoners of War...

    Prisoners of war may only be transferred by the Detaining Power to a Power which is a party to the Convention and after the Detaining Power has satisfied itself of the willingness and ability of such transferee Power to apply the Convention. When prisoners of war are transferred under such circumstances, responsibility for the application of the Convention rests on the Power accepting them while they are in its custody.
    In other words, Lieutenant Savchenko did not lose her POW status when transferred to Russia. As a legal POW, Ms. Savchenko must be released in accordance with the "all for all" prisoner exchange agreed to at Minsk II.


    Captured POW Lieutenant Nadia Savchenko... shackled and in military uniform being interrogated by rebels in Luhansk, Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Having signed M-2 the Russians have five days to deliver her to Ukraine, and need to do so.
    Russia is already trying to back out of its commitment...

    Russia: No promises to release Ukraine pilot Savchenko

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    Russia says it has made no promises to free Ukrainian military pilot Nadia Savchenko, captured in June, despite claims following the Minsk peace deal. Emerging from peace talks on Thursday, Ukraine's president Petro Poroshenko said he had been told Ms Savchenko would be freed. Mr. Poroshenko said he had pressed Russia's Vladimir Putin on the matter and had been told she would be freed "shortly".

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the case would be settled in court. But the Kremlin's spokesman said that no assurances had been given. "The Ukrainian side raised the issue about Savchenko at the summit," Mr Peskov was quoted as saying. "An investigation against Savchenko is under way and the court will decide on the extent of her guilt or innocence."


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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Here you are comrade, here are just 100 of their top ten lies:

    Russia's Top 100 Lies About Ukraine

    Only fascist Muscovite members of Putin's cult of personality put a single bit of stock into a single word printed by the Kremlin's ministry of propaganda IE Russia Today.
    And I'll dismiss your source as you've dismissed ours, next!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    You are likely right.

    Putin is as likely to allow Ukraine to join the EU or NATO, as the US was to allowing Soviet nuclear weapons in Cuba.

    This is Russia's "Monroe Doctrine" and Ukraine is the red line.
    Indeed, and other than the hypocritical, who might blame him.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    According to every freedom index on the planet the US has a free press; whereas, Russia does not.
    More patronising bull ****. If you think what you hear isn't being massaged then you'll believe anything, now that was funny.

    Massive corporations dominate the U.S. media landscape. Through a history of mergers and acquisitions, these companies have concentrated their control over what we see, hear and read. In many cases, these companies control everything from initial production to final distribution. In the interactive charts below we reveal who owns what.

    http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart

    And of course these oligarchs have their interests and agenda.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    It is indeed legal to capture prisoners of war. She was captured in Ukraine in full military uniform and interrogated as a POW. According to Article 12 of the Geneva Conventions regarding Prisoners of War...



    In other words, Lieutenant Savchenko did not lose her POW status when transferred to Russia. As a legal POW, Ms. Savchenko must be released in accordance with the "all for all" prisoner exchange agreed to at Minsk II.


    Captured POW Lieutenant Nadia Savchenko... shackled and in military uniform being interrogated by rebels in Luhansk, Ukraine


    Russia is already trying to back out of its commitment...

    Russia: No promises to release Ukraine pilot Savchenko
    I'm sorry, do not be pointing to the geneva convention unless you intend to address the three fingers pointing back, hear? Otherwise, I already said, having agreed to release her, they need to do that. But I'll need to see what their response is to this. I realise that you believe there is only a Western side to every story, which makes true debate with you difficult.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 02-14-15 at 10:37 AM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Indeed, and other than the hypocritical, who might blame him.
    Russia has every right to use political and economic measures to protect Russia's sphere of influence.

    Military invasions? They have no such right.

    Ukraine aligning with the EU or even joining the EU, is not a military threat to Russia.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wait a minute, we haven't given back New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California. (well, I suppose they're getting California back, lol) and though pointed out so many times, imperialism isn't limited to real estate control. If you think that through the IMF and other policy impositions that the US doesn't wield influence and control around the world, then there's some more naivety.
    Last time I checked, the secessionist movement was on the other side of the Southern Half of the US, so not really sure why naming those states relevant to this discussion (incidentally, who'd want to join Mexico at this point). Besides that the IMF at this point is no more our pawn than the EU's or anyone else's. I can see where you'd think of it as such as most of the money being moved is US Dollars, but most of the work they do is financial assistance to this country or that.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And I'll dismiss your source as you've dismissed ours, next!
    What source did I dismiss? RT? Yes because RT are proven liars, they are nothing but a state owned propaganda mill for the Kremlin if you disagree provide one single solitary RT article critical of Putin, I'll be waiting with baited breath.

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