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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    See that's just the thing. But let the patronising klan tell it and the US hasn't/doesn't EVER disseminate propaganda, and all governments benefit from such died in the wool nationalism.
    Indeed. Recall how Dick Cheney et al manufactured that BS about Iraqi WMDs and the mushroom cloud. You would think that people would know better by now.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Indeed. Recall how Dick Cheney et al manufactured that BS about Iraqi WMDs and the mushroom cloud. You would think that people would know better by now.
    Unfortunately, these guys are still in denial that the WMD/mushroom cloud disinformation was lies, and still defend it, even though neither the WMD nor the delivery system that would put it over Dallas or Chicago, never was found, lol.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Unfortunately, these guys are still in denial that the WMD/mushroom cloud disinformation was lies, and still defend it, even though neither the WMD nor the delivery system that would put it over Dallas or Chicago, never was found, lol.
    Yep. They say the NYT ran a whole story that WMDs were found. It is totally amazing how the propaganda machine works in this country. Amazing.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    A POW is neither a hostage, nor an illegally detained person!!!!!!!!!!!
    She is being illegally detained.

    Ms. Savchenko is a delegate to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (of which Russia is a member state) and is entitled to diplomatic immunity in all PACE member states.

    Ukraine's Poroshenko Puts Detained Pilot Savchenko on Center Stage in Minsk

    The Moscow Times
    Feb. 12 2015

    Emerging from all-night talks on Thursday, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Ukrainian military pilot Nadezhda Savchenko would be released from a Russian prison soon. The fact that he singled out the 33-year-old in a deal that should end fighting in a conflict in east Ukraine, which has killed more than 5,000 people, underlined how important Savchenko, who was captured by pro-Russian forces and handed over to Russia, has become.

    "I raised the issue of the release of Nadezhda Savchenko, and I was informed that it should be done soon after the medical examination and the preliminary findings of the investigation are finalized," Poroshenko told journalists in Minsk where he agreed with leaders from Russia, France and Germany a cease-fire for east Ukraine. "I asked it to be done immediately, and my appeal was supported by the French president and German chancellor. It was our joint position."

    The Thursday deal envisages an "all for all" prisoner exchange and Moscow lawyer Mark Feigin said Savchenko was on Kiev's list.
    The formal Russian representative at Minsk - Mikhail Zurabov - signed the Minsk II document.


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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Unfortunately, these guys are still in denial that the WMD/mushroom cloud disinformation was lies, and still defend it, even though neither the WMD nor the delivery system that would put it over Dallas or Chicago, never was found, lol.
    I was certain the whole WMD thing was BS right from the very beginning and was necessary only to secure a big pile of dead Arabs post 9/11 whose coffins Bush could then ride into the Whitehouse for his second term .

    What has that got to do with Ukraine ?

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wtf!!!! The Russians have been involved in negotiations all along with Ukraine, for years. After Ukraine elected Yanukovych the request to join NATO was withdrawn (2010) then in the Fall of 2013 he decided a better deal was to be had with Russia, which is when the US (Victoria Nuland and Co.) stuck their nose in!!!!!
    And at least 80% of his electorate disagreed given this was the opposite course from that laid out in the manifesto that got him elected in 2010. The rest as they say is history

    This also might have had something to do with it

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A3T0K820140430

    Which then explains this

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30777844

    But of course its still all Americas fault just the same right ?
    Last edited by flogger; 02-13-15 at 11:14 AM.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    She is being illegally detained.

    Ms. Savchenko is a delegate to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (of which Russia is a member state) and is entitled to diplomatic immunity in all PACE member states.

    Ukraine's Poroshenko Puts Detained Pilot Savchenko on Center Stage in Minsk



    The formal Russian representative at Minsk - Mikhail Zurabov - signed the Minsk II document.
    Sorry, it is legal to take prisoners of war. Having signed M-2 the Russians have five days to deliver her to Ukraine, and need to do so.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I was certain the whole WMD thing was BS right from the very beginning and was necessary only to secure a big pile of dead Arabs post 9/11 whose coffins Bush could then ride into the Whitehouse for his second term .

    What has that got to do with Ukraine ?
    I was responding to Mildsteel, see his post for clarity.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 02-13-15 at 11:59 AM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And at least 80% of his electorate disagreed given this was the opposite course from that laid out in the manifesto that got him elected in 2010. The rest as they say is history

    This also might have had something to do with it

    Toppled 'mafia' president cost Ukraine up to $100 billion, prosecutor says | Reuters

    Which then explains this

    BBC News - Ukraine ex-leader Yanukovych wanted by Interpol

    But of course its still all Americas fault just the same right ?
    Then what civilised people do is remove the person in the next election, or, if its serious enough, hold a recall election. Under no circumstances do you throw a fit, begin burning government buildings, drive your president from his office firing upon his motorcade as he flees for his life. You needn't post further explanations of your position to me, I can see your situational ethics for what they are!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Then what civilised people do is remove the person in the next election, or, if its serious enough, hold a recall election.
    And how does that happen when he's jailed the opposition leaders ?

    Under no circumstances do you throw a fit, begin burning government buildings, drive your president from his office firing upon his motorcade as he flees for his life.
    You might if you had no other option. Lets not forget that this guy was so corrupt that even members of his own cabinet abandoned him in the end and do you know what ? The US didn't pay them to either ! He then skipped the country and is under the protection of Moscow complete with the billions in Ukrainian state funds he sequestered on his departure. Doubtless he has found many kindred spirits in his new home

    You needn't post further explanations of your position to me, I can see your situational ethics for what they are!
    At least I have some

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