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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Mearsheimer is neither government, nor military, nor historian. He is a theorist/author and offers nothing more substantial than his opinion on a given subject. There are thousands of pundits like him and their opinions span the entire political spectrum. Get over it.


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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Mearsheimer is neither government, nor military, nor historian. He is a theorist/author and offers nothing more substantial than his opinion on a given subject. There are thousands of pundits like him and their opinions span the entire political spectrum. Get over it.
    Excuse me dude, but you need to get over yourself. His credentials bury your ass and your opinion.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Excuse me dude, but you need to get over yourself. His credentials bury your ass and your opinion.
    As did my multiple equally well qualified rebuttals of Meirsheimers opinion piece

    The Ukraine crisis according to John J. Mearsheimer: Impeccable Logic, Wrong Facts

    RealTime Economic Issues Watch | Is the West to Blame for Russia’s Aggression in Ukraine? Of Course Not!

    Department of "Huh?!" John J. Mearsheimer Thinks the West Caused the Ukraine Crisis?: The Honest Broker for the Week of September 19, 2014 - Washington Center for Equitable Growth

    Why John J. Mearsheimer is Wrong on Ukraine | Duck of Minerva

    Get over it 'dude' you're the one that got 'buried' . If you want even more rebuttals I'll be happy to oblige

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Here, we'll borrow from Simple.

    Alexander Motyl is neither government, nor military, nor historian. He is a theorist/author and offers nothing more substantial than his opinion on a given subject. There are thousands of pundits like him and their opinions span the entire political spectrum. Get over it.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Here, we'll borrow from Simple.

    Alexander Motyl is neither government, nor military, nor historian. He is a theorist/author and offers nothing more substantial than his opinion on a given subject. There are thousands of pundits like him and their opinions span the entire political spectrum. Get over it.
    You got called my friend no less than four times so deal with it

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    You got called my friend no less than four times so deal with it
    How gracious of you to extend your friendship, thanks. But what do you mean by that, told four times by you and or others that John Mearsheimer's essay is nothing more than someone's opinion?!?! Because what else is anybody espousing here? Any source penned by anybody, including your prime minister or my president can be dismissed as their opinion. I can't figure out your hard on for Putin and why his no nonsense approach has your knickers twisted about in knots. Too funny.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You, cp, are wrong again, and still.

    But this account is wrong: the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West. At the same time, the EU’s expansion eastward and the West’s backing of the pro-democracy movement in Ukraine -- beginning with the Orange Revolution in 2004 -- were critical elements, too. Since the mid-1990s, Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement, and in recent years, they have made it clear that they would not stand by while their strategically important neighbor turned into a Western bastion. For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected and pro-Russian president -- which he rightly labeled a “coup” -- was the final straw. He responded by taking Crimea, a peninsula he feared would host a NATO naval base, and working to destabilize Ukraine until it abandoned its efforts to join the West.

    John J. Mearsheimer | How the West Caused the Ukraine Crisis | Foreign Affairs
    Oh yes. Darn that democratization. Who do these eastern europeans think they are - free men? Surely they must be smacked down.

    Hey, but you know what this article doesn't claim?

    It doesn't support your conspiracy theory that the US was providing the rioters, or provided snipers that shot down people on both sides.. The closest it comes is noting that John McCain took part in pro-democracy marches, and that during the reconstruction process afterwards, a politician that was backed by (among others) an assistant secretary of state managed to become Prime Minister. Oh my gosh, the west backed democracy? How awful.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Mearsheimer is neither government, nor military, nor historian. He is a theorist/author and offers nothing more substantial than his opinion on a given subject. There are thousands of pundits like him and their opinions span the entire political spectrum. Get over it.
    Mearsheimer is not just another pundit. He's a pretty major name in IR theory as a proponent of realism. However, this particular crises is sort of tailor-made for him to claim inevitability.

    What he doesn't do is support Montecresto's conspiracy theories.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How gracious of you to extend your friendship, thanks. But what do you mean by that, told four times by you and or others that John Mearsheimer's essay is nothing more than someone's opinion?!?!
    Of course as are the multiple rebuttals of it and I'm more than happy to let others judge their relative merits based on current events

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh yes. Darn that democratization. Who do these eastern europeans think they are - free men? Surely they must be smacked down.

    Hey, but you know what this article doesn't claim?

    It doesn't support your conspiracy theory that the US was providing the rioters, or provided snipers that shot down people on both sides.. The closest it comes is noting that John McCain took part in pro-democracy marches, and that during the reconstruction process afterwards, a politician that was backed by (among others) an assistant secretary of state managed to become Prime Minister. Oh my gosh, the west backed democracy? How awful.
    Actually, you have no credentials, I've shown you the logical position of somebody who actually has them. And, here's the thing that I believe rubs a rash on your ass, and a couple others around here. It's been busted. Putin doesn't need your acknowledgment of what actually happened in Kiev the Fall of 2013. Interference, has backfired this time. And it's a most reasonable expectation that Russia doesn't back off on this and that Crimea remains home of Russia's warm water port.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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