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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I didn't copy/paste anything. The forum software quoted you directly. With links, I proved your statement to be factually false.
    You accused me of making comparisons of Western military atrocities with Stalin and Mao, when in fact I mentioned neither of them. I simply included Russia and China in a long list of alleged enemies during the course of time that have been amongst our biggest threats at any given time. As a matter of fact, we're back to Russia again. And in truth, none of the "threats" have ever actually been threats.
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    Indeed. Predisposed, but lacking any credible evidence to support his predisposition.

    Consortium News? InformationClearingHouse? Both are well known conspiracy/anti-American internet rags.
    Yeah, and the Council on Foreign Relations, don't forget to throw them in.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You accused me of making comparisons of Western military atrocities with Stalin and Mao, when in fact I mentioned neither of them.
    Lol. I think you have either your thread or posters mixed up. I've not mentioned either Stalin or Mao once in this thread.

    I demonstrated via links that your statement below in Post 206 is factually wrong.

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    The US is backing a regime in Kiev that Russia does not recognise as legitimate.
    Everyone in the pic below is mutually recognized as the President/Chancellor of their respective nation. Your assertion above is idiocy.



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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Lol. I think you have either your thread or posters mixed up. I've not mentioned either Stalin or Mao once in this thread.

    I demonstrated via links that your statement below in Post 206 is factually wrong.



    Everyone in the pic below is mutually recognized as the President/Chancellor of their respective nation. Your assertion above is idiocy.

    And it appears that you have a huge gap in your timeline between the ouster of Yanukovych at the end of 2013 and the elections in May of 2014. The installation of a interim government that Moscow declared was not legitimate and prompted Russian responses to this Western aggression by securing his assets and people's in Crimea, and supporting the desires of others in Eastern Ukraine to self rule, something you love to tout about elsewhere.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And it appears that you have a huge gap in your timeline between the ouster of Yanukovych at the end of 2013 and the elections in May of 2014. The installation of a interim government that Moscow declared was not legitimate and prompted Russian responses to this Western aggression by securing his assets and people's in Crimea, and supporting the desires of others in Eastern Ukraine to self rule, something you love to tout about elsewhere.
    The old moving the goalposts trick. You should have quantified from the get go instead of making an erroneous blanket statement.

    This, your now amended version...

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto
    The US was backing an interrum regime in Kiev that Russia did not recognise at that time as legitimate.
    Is not at all the same as what you wrote in Post 206 which I quoted and corrected...

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The US is backing a regime in Kiev that Russia does not recognise as legitimate.
    No matter how you try to spin it ipso-facto ... your original posted statement is factually wrong


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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Indeed. Predisposed, but lacking any credible evidence to support his predisposition.
    What I find most telling is his defense of Russia pursuing their national interest, but his decrial that the US might do the same.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, and the Council on Foreign Relations, don't forget to throw them in.
    Didn't back your claim that the US was behind him getting kicked out of power, but merely featured one of the best known advocates of the Realist school explaining that Russia would nakedly pursue her self-interest.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The old moving the goalposts trick. You should have quantified from the get go instead of making an erroneous blanket statement.

    This, your now amended version...



    Is not at all the same as what you wrote in Post 206 which I quoted and corrected...



    No matter how you try to spin it ipso-facto ... your original posted statement is factually wrong
    Your very sig line betrays the fact that Russia moved into and secured Crimea during the time period of the illegitimate government in Kiev. They have perpetual legitimacy in that action.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Didn't back your claim that the US was behind him getting kicked out of power, but merely featured one of the best known advocates of the Realist school explaining that Russia would nakedly pursue her self-interest.
    You, cp, are wrong again, and still.

    But this account is wrong: the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West. At the same time, the EU’s expansion eastward and the West’s backing of the pro-democracy movement in Ukraine -- beginning with the Orange Revolution in 2004 -- were critical elements, too. Since the mid-1990s, Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement, and in recent years, they have made it clear that they would not stand by while their strategically important neighbor turned into a Western bastion. For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected and pro-Russian president -- which he rightly labeled a “coup” -- was the final straw. He responded by taking Crimea, a peninsula he feared would host a NATO naval base, and working to destabilize Ukraine until it abandoned its efforts to join the West.

    John J. Mearsheimer | How the West Caused the Ukraine Crisis | Foreign Affairs
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    War selfie from Ukrainian soldiers. Really shoking video.


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