Page 20 of 29 FirstFirst ... 101819202122 ... LastLast
Results 191 to 200 of 289

Thread: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

  1. #191
    Sage
    flogger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Wokingham, England
    Last Seen
    12-16-17 @ 06:12 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    14,276

    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Very good points, and a valid comparison. I would not be surprised if Russia or their proxies siezes the vacated homes and offers them to Russian cossack "settlers" as part of a veterans benefits package.
    There are by some estimates at least a million displaced persons from this relatively small region at the moment, and they all must have lived and worked somewhere so this is quite possible. The Germans did the same with Polish homes and businesses when they invaded in 1939 by systematically routing the locals and handing their properties over to incoming 'ethnic' Germans. It was the start of the Nazi Lebensraum policy in the east

  2. #192
    Guru

    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Last Seen
    12-12-17 @ 11:27 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,899

    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    There are by some estimates at least a million displaced persons from this relatively small region at the moment, and they all must have lived and worked somewhere so this is quite possible. The Germans did the same with Polish homes and businesses when they invaded in 1939 by systematically routing the locals and handing their properties over to incoming 'ethnic' Germans. It was the start of the Nazi Lebensraum policy in the east
    I think that is another good analogy and a very real possibility. The Russians even have "plausible deniability" by letting loosely controlled irregular bands do the dirty work, and then denying involvement if there are "excesses".

  3. #193
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Krasnodar, Russia
    Last Seen
    06-09-15 @ 08:53 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    864

    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I've little to add to my previous post. You guys know what you are doing and nobody from either side would be screaming at anybody in videos were it not for Russian interference in Ukrainian internal affairs
    Again you're going to political propaganda. I'm talking about simple things, there is no ethnic purges because noone can separate Russian and Ukrainian. The woman in the link I gave above first speaks Russian, then, when she applies to Ukraine, she starts to speak Ukrainian, then she speaks Russian again. Who is she? Ukrainian? Russian? I don't know it, I can't define it. How you can? How you can say who is she with all your ridiculous reasonings about Russians and Ukrainians?

  4. #194
    Sage
    flogger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Wokingham, England
    Last Seen
    12-16-17 @ 06:12 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    14,276

    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I think that is another good analogy and a very real possibility. The Russians even have "plausible deniability" by letting loosely controlled irregular bands do the dirty work, and then denying involvement if there are "excesses".
    These "excesses" you speak of will be pretty much a given tactic in order to facilitate the 'required' demographic change in the region. Once Donetsk and Luhansk are consolidated in this manner I suspect the Kharkiv Belgorodskaya and Dnipropetrovsk oblasts will suffer similar 'assimilations' as the Russians incrementally use such tactics to move ever westwards

    Watch this space

  5. #195
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Krasnodar, Russia
    Last Seen
    06-09-15 @ 08:53 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    864

    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Very good points, and a valid comparison. I would not be surprised if Russia or their proxies siezes the vacated homes and offers them to Russian cossack "settlers" as part of a veterans benefits package.
    What is good at this point? Laughable. The most of Donbass refugees fled to Russia, not to Ukraine. Are you sure "Russian cossack settlers" dream about living in Donbass?

    According to official data almost 300.000 Ukrainian citizens applied for asylum in Russia. I think the first worry for Russian authorities is to bring these people home, but not to sieze their vacated houses. Completely idiotic idea, I simply can't imagine how such an idea could be born in someones head. Besides, you must consider a lot of people have relatives in Russia, not all of refugees apply for official status, some people just live in their relatives' homes.

    MOSCOW, February 16. /TASS/. More than 265,000 Ukrainian nationals, forced to flee their homes amid continuing violence in the country’s south-east, have been granted temporary shelter and official refugee status in Russia, Federal Migration Service (FMS) said on Monday.

    "More than 290,000 people have applied for asylum, which includes temporary shelter and refugee status. About 265,000 have already got it," FMS citizenship department head Valentina Kazakova told journalists, noting that more than 900,000 refugees from Ukraine’s south-eastern regions were currently residing in Russia.

    Some people preferred not to request any status documents, making use of a bilateral agreement allowing Ukrainians to stay in Russia without registering with the migration service for up to 90 days, Kazakova added.

    TASS: Russia - Over 265,000 Ukrainians granted temporary shelter, refugee status in Russia
    Last edited by MrFirst; 02-19-15 at 01:10 PM.

  6. #196
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Krasnodar, Russia
    Last Seen
    06-09-15 @ 08:53 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    864

    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    MOSCOW, February 19. /TASS/. Russian gas giant Gazprom launched gas supplies to south-east Ukraine starting from 4 pm February 19, 2015, at 12 million cubic meters of gas a day, including via gas measuring units of Prokhorovka and Platovo, CEO Alexey Miller said Thursday.

    "In line with the currently acting sale and purchase agreement between Gazprom and Naftogaz Ukrainy, starting from 4 pm February 19, 2015 Gazprom supplies 12 million cubic meters of gas a day to Ukraine, including via gas measuring units of Prokhorovka and Platovo," Miller said.

    Earlier on Thursday Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev ordered to provide assistance to the citizens of Debaltsevo and other settlements in the Ukrainian conflict zone that are facing a humanitarian crisis. PM ordered the Energy Ministry and Gazprom to prepare proposals on humanitarian gas supplies to south-east Ukraine.

    "There is still another problem relating to gas supplies: by decision of the Ukrainian authorities, in any case, by the decision that has not yet been cancelled, and as a result of their certain actions, gas is not supplied to the territory of a whole number of populated areas [in south-east Ukraine — TASS]. Despite the calls for gas supplies, this is not taking place," Medvedev said.

    "I would like the Energy Ministry to prepare proposals jointly with Gazprom on providing humanitarian aid through gas supplies for the needs of these regions, unless urgent measures are taken for their provision with gas using the customary scheme," Medvedev said.

    Meanwhile, spokeswoman for the Russian premier Natalia Timakova said that humanitarian gas supplies to south-east Ukraine will be commercial.

    "Gazprom will supply gas to the south-east [of Ukraine] as humanitarian aid on a commercial basis. The sources of financing are being determined," she said.

    A source familiar with the situation said financing could possibly be provided through a loan or some other option.

    TASS: World - Russian Gazprom launches gas supplies to Donbas at 12 million cubic meters a day

  7. #197
    Guru

    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Last Seen
    12-12-17 @ 11:27 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,899

    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    These "excesses" you speak of will be pretty much a given tactic in order to facilitate the 'required' demographic change in the region. Once Donetsk and Luhansk are consolidated in this manner I suspect the Kharkiv Belgorodskaya and Dnipropetrovsk oblasts will suffer similar 'assimilations' as the Russians incrementally use such tactics to move ever westwards

    Watch this space
    Unless, Russia's goal is not the siezure of individual oblasts, but bringing Ukriane as a nation back into the Russian sphere as a protectorate. To do this, Russia would not need to ethnically cleanse the other oblasts. Rather, armed groups infiltrate from Donbass into Odessa, Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk where they find some degrees of local support. The Ukrainian government gradually loses control over those areas. As more and more areas are lost, a Russian led counter coup occurs in Kiev.

    The new Russian installed government then "asks" to join Russia as a federal state. The far western oblasts are not garrisoned (too much trouble). Instead, they are left to "whither on the vine". Meanwhile, Putin sets his sights on Belarus as the next country to federalize.

  8. #198
    Invictus


    Rogue Valley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Last Seen
    @
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,185

    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    These "excesses" you speak of will be pretty much a given tactic in order to facilitate the 'required' demographic change in the region. Once Donetsk and Luhansk are consolidated in this manner I suspect the Kharkiv Belgorodskaya and Dnipropetrovsk oblasts will suffer similar 'assimilations' as the Russians incrementally use such tactics to move ever westwards

    Watch this space
    Their next immediate targets north of Debaltseve are Artemivsk and Kramatorsk. In the south, the strategic city of Mariupol where rebels are shelling small villages to the east of the city and bringing up reinforcements.

    They may also resume their destabilizing operations in the cities of Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, and Odessa.


    Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet. -- Marine Corps General James 'Chaos' Mattis

    Repeal and Replace Trump.

  9. #199
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Krasnodar, Russia
    Last Seen
    06-09-15 @ 08:53 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    864

    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    The newly appointed mayor of liberated Debaltsevo wears uniform with Greek flag on the sleeve.

    The head of DPR Alexandr Zakharchenko appointed Alexandr Afendikov the mayor of Debaltsevo. Probably Afendikov is a Greek.

    B-KE_tHIEAAM0BK.jpg

  10. #200
    Guru

    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Last Seen
    12-12-17 @ 11:27 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,899

    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    What is good at this point? Laughable. The most of Donbass refugees fled to Russia, not to Ukraine. Are you sure "Russian cossack settlers" dream about living in Donbass?

    According to official data almost 300.000 Ukrainian citizens applied for asylum in Russia. I think the first worry for Russian authorities is to bring these people home, but not to sieze their vacated houses. Completely idiotic idea, I simply can't imagine how such an idea could be born in someones head. Besides, you must consider a lot of people have relatives in Russia, not all of refugees apply for official status, some people just live in their relatives' homes.
    Vacated homes of pro Russians are at little risk of siezure. Rather, it is the pro Ukrainians who will be "de-housed". As for Russian cossacks and "cossacks" wanting to settle in the Donbass, if given a free home, and other oncentives (small business loans, ability to purchase famland cheaply) etc, I think there will be more than a few such settlers.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    The newly appointed mayor of liberated Debaltsevo wears uniform with Greek flag on the sleeve.

    The head of DPR Alexandr Zakharchenko appointed Alexandr Afendikov the mayor of Debaltsevo. Probably Afendikov is a Greek.
    Or, he might be supporting bankrupt Greece's recent rejection of the austerity policies. Who knows, maybe the Greek left wing party will be allowed to print money in the Donbass and serve as economic advisors to the DPR.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Their next immediate targets north of Debaltseve are Artemivsk and Kramatorsk. In the south, the strategic city of Mariupol where rebels are shelling small villages to the east of the city and bringing up reinforcements.

    They may also resume their destabilizing operations in the cities of Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, and Odessa.
    Ukriane needs to win big and fast, or they are going to be made into a Russian protectorate by creeping destabilization. I hate to admit it, but Putin's is a master game player. He correctly predicted that the west would not intervene, and also correctly predicted that the Ukrainian military wont be able to stop even an invasion by proxy, let alone a full scale effort.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 02-19-15 at 01:45 PM.

Page 20 of 29 FirstFirst ... 101819202122 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •