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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit



    Details were not yet available from MSN sources, but more info is provided by the official Kremlin website here

    It is going to take me a few days to analyse/digest what exactly has been agreed to at Minsk before I can offer a more comprehensive commentary.
    Well whatever it was, little point in checking your link to see what the Kremlin says. Everybody knows they always lie, so we'll have to wait for the WH to get the full true story.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I doubt this ceasefire means all that much, given the recent history on the matter.
    Anyway, even if honoured, it just means that the two sides stop shooting at one another. There's still the matter that the separatists want autonomy, and Kiev is unwilling to allow it. There really is little hope that anything is over.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Let's see how long it takes for the Russian-backed terrorists to break this one.
    Exactly, totally. Because we all know that the Ukrainians, a morally superior people would never be the ones to break the agreement. And if they do, and the EU/US say that it was the separatists that broke the agreement, that's what will be official.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Details were not yet available from MSN sources, but more info is provided by the official Kremlin website here

    It is going to take me a few days to analyse/digest what exactly has been agreed to at Minsk before I can offer a more comprehensive commentary.

    Putin cannot allow this to last or to let peace ensue. The whole raison d'etre of his strategy is to keep Ukraine destabilised as a whole and mired in this conflict ad infinitum. A stable Ukraine thats at peace would be free to go its own way politically and make choices at odds with the wishes of the Kremlin. That cannot be allowed to happen. Obviously Russia cannot initiate a full scale invasion of the whole country given the political consequences of such a move so the present strategy represents the least worst alternative for Putin

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Regardless, all I suppose I can say for now is that I'm glad the US wasn't involved in the agreement as perhaps finally we can put all this BS about this being a US led program or some crap out of the way.
    Since we don't have anything to do with you are saying that there is no need for the U.S. to supply Ukraine with weapons. Good.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Since we don't have anything to do with you are saying that there is no need for the U.S. to supply Ukraine with weapons. Good.
    If this was just a conflict between Ukrainians, then I'd says yes. Unfortunately, the moment the Russians stuck their nose into it, we have to respond with support. However, just because we support them, doesn't mean we should also be dictating how it plays out in the end. There's a difference you see?

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    By the time we can analyse it, we will have seen, if it works. On the face of it, Putin seems to have received only the pass on new sanctions for the moment. I have not seen mention of Crimea.
    Sanctions will remain in force for as long as Russia illegally occupies sovereign Ukrainian territory, besides if Russia made ending the sanctions a condition of the ceasefire it will just prove once and for all that it is Russia who is behind the terrorism in Eastern Ukraine.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well whatever it was, little point in checking your link to see what the Kremlin says. Everybody knows they always lie, so we'll have to wait for the WH to get the full true story.
    Yes the fascists in the Kremlin and their ministry of propaganda known as RT are proven to have lied about every major issue regarding this conflict from the start, glad you are starting to get the picture.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Sanctions will remain in force for as long as Russia illegally occupies sovereign Ukrainian territory, besides if Russia made ending the sanctions a condition of the ceasefire it will just prove once and for all that it is Russia who is behind the terrorism in Eastern Ukraine.
    Now that I have been able to read the documents and seen who signed where and seen that the new eu sanctions will be implemented you might be right, though I don't at all know that the situation is very clear.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit



    Details were not yet available from MSN sources, but more info is provided by the official Kremlin website here

    It is going to take me a few days to analyse/digest what exactly has been agreed to at Minsk before I can offer a more comprehensive commentary.
    If it's going to take you a few days, then you will probably miss it altogether. If recent history is any guide, this will be broken by Sunday morning. The problem being that the terms are unacceptable to both sides.

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