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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    There had been no war in Ukraine in the 23 years since its independence and there still would be none now were it not for Russian intervention.

    Predictably though whatever the evidence you'll stick to blaming the nasty capitalist bankers and the CIA nonetheless .... ho hum
    Just because Poroshenko is boss, he's probably not the one that ordered his Army to attack East Ukraine. No war, 23 years, and Poroshenko gins one up in a few months. You must be right though, it's a hot dam vortex sucking those armies in from a nice quiet Kiev to the East Ukrainian's shooting gallery. That makes it a billionaire's war against a bunch of coal miners and peasants. Russia spent $35 billion propping up Ukraine in the last 10 years. Along comes the USA/CIA/NED, Nuland, Pyatt, and other various amoeba wannabes to "help out" and now Ukrainians are poorer, everthing is more expensive, taxes are up, pensions are down, the patrimony of the people is going to Corporations to cover the war debt, theft debt, mismanagement debt, IMF debt, corruption debt, ad infinitum. Take a good look at what is really happening. There are many information sources, but they are not on MSM TV. Give it a shot, might surprise you.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Just because Poroshenko is boss, he's probably not the one that ordered his Army to attack East Ukraine.
    That must automatically mean the CIA and the bankers did it right ?

    No war, 23 years, and Poroshenko gins one up in a few months. You must be right though, it's a hot dam vortex sucking those armies in from a nice quiet Kiev to the East Ukrainian's shooting gallery.
    No war in 23 years until those naughty Ukrainians wanted to join the EU and hurt Russias feelings

    That makes it a billionaire's war against a bunch of coal miners and peasants.
    Hooray. Power to the people down with the kulaks !!!

    Russia spent $35 billion propping up Ukraine in the last 10 years.
    And then Yanukovych goes on to steal three times that much in just four years ...... but its still the Wests fault all the same right ?

    Along comes the USA/CIA/NED, Nuland, Pyatt, and other various amoeba wannabes to "help out" and now Ukrainians are poorer, everthing is more expensive, taxes are up, pensions are down, the patrimony of the people is going to Corporations to cover the war debt, theft debt, mismanagement debt, IMF debt, corruption debt, ad infinitum. Take a good look at what is really happening.
    Hilariously predictable as ever. You just can't help yourself
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Somebodies getting taught a lesson.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    That must automatically mean the CIA and the bankers did it right ?



    No war in 23 years until those naughty Ukrainians wanted to join the EU and hurt Russias feelings



    Hooray. Power to the people down with the kulaks !!!



    And then Yanukovych goes on to steal three times that much in just four years ...... but its still the Wests fault all the same right ?



    Hilariously predictable as ever. You just can't help yourself
    I believe you're finally beginning to notice the details. I can't help your comprehension limitations. I would if I could. Always been willing to help the handicapped, don't ya' know?

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Just because Poroshenko is boss, he's probably not the one that ordered his Army to attack East Ukraine. No war, 23 years, and Poroshenko gins one up in a few months.
    Are your freaking serious? It was Russia that invaded the Ukraine and then backed mass murdering terrorists who turned Donetsk and Luhansk (which both have majority ethnic Ukrainian populations) into armed camps ruled by murder, kidnapping, rape, torture, and numerous other atrocities and pogroms against non-Russians.




    “We are talking of a reign of fear, if not of terror” in the pockets of territory around Donetsk and Luhansk controlled by armed separatists and now experiencing a state of total lawlessness, Mr. Magazzeni said, citing cases of people shot at checkpoints for no reason and members of armed groups who were summarily shot because they no longer wanted to fight.

    “The escalation in criminal activity resulting in human rights abuses is no longer limited to targeting journalists, elected representatives, local politicians, civil servants and civil society activists,” the report stated. “Abductions, detentions, acts of ill-treatment and torture, and killings by armed groups are now affecting the broader population of the two eastern regions.”


    They further report that pogroms in the Crimea are responsible for ethnic cleansing in the Crimea:

    The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

    “They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/wo...aine.html?_r=0

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Are your freaking serious? It was Russia that invaded the Ukraine and then backed mass murdering terrorists who turned Donetsk and Luhansk (which both have majority ethnic Ukrainian populations) into armed camps ruled by murder, kidnapping, rape, torture, and numerous other atrocities and pogroms against non-Russians.




    “We are talking of a reign of fear, if not of terror” in the pockets of territory around Donetsk and Luhansk controlled by armed separatists and now experiencing a state of total lawlessness, Mr. Magazzeni said, citing cases of people shot at checkpoints for no reason and members of armed groups who were summarily shot because they no longer wanted to fight.

    “The escalation in criminal activity resulting in human rights abuses is no longer limited to targeting journalists, elected representatives, local politicians, civil servants and civil society activists,” the report stated. “Abductions, detentions, acts of ill-treatment and torture, and killings by armed groups are now affecting the broader population of the two eastern regions.”


    They further report that pogroms in the Crimea are responsible for ethnic cleansing in the Crimea:

    The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

    “They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/wo...aine.html?_r=0
    Ol' John Doe said Mr. Magazzeni was lying. Where do you get this trash. Marvel mysteries, I guess.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Ol' John Doe said Mr. Magazzeni was lying. Where do you get this trash. Marvel mysteries, I guess.
    No from the United Nations Human Rights investigators report on the situation in the Ukraine. Mr. Magezzeni was the head investigator. Your non-rebuttal to documented evidence of Russian atrocities in the Ukraine is duly noted.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    No from the United Nations Human Rights investigators report on the situation in the Ukraine. Mr. Magezzeni was the head investigator. Your non-rebuttal to documented evidence of Russian atrocities in the Ukraine is duly noted.
    Does the UN Human Rights Investigators Report have any merit when they document crimes committed by Israel against Palestinians? I didn't think so. Sit down.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Does the UN Human Rights Investigators Report have any merit when they document crimes committed by Israel against Palestinians?
    Yes and likewise the war crimes committed by Hamas and Hezbollah have been well documented by the UN as well.

    I didn't think so. Sit down.
    Please refer me to the post where I justified for example the illegal settlements?

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I believe you're finally beginning to notice the details.
    In the words of the immortal John McEnroe .... you cannot be serious !

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