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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You're correct, except the forum is Debate Politics Forum and you cannot discuss politics without mentioning the owners of the politicians, don't ya' know, unless you are paid to support the status quo of whatever, eh? Make sure people don't think about these things. Your avatar is a giveaway to your activities. Opposites, don't ya' know?
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right, and your ignoring the fact that Putin could shut that paper down. And hasn't.
    And you're ignoring the fact that he doesn't have to and every single one of my other points. Furthermore; they have since banned all foreign owned media sites in Russia which would include the Moscow Times which is the only place most Russians would be able to read them:

    Russia Speeds Up Law to Ban Most Foreign Web Services | News | The Moscow Times

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Ukraine peace deal under threat as rebels refuse to halt attacks

    In addition, the rebels have refused to allow the OSCE (Minsk I & II international monitors) access to Debaltseve.
    So much for diplomacy.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    And you're ignoring the fact that he doesn't have to and every single one of my other points. Furthermore; they have since banned all foreign owned media sites in Russia which would include the Moscow Times which is the only place most Russians would be able to read them:

    Russia Speeds Up Law to Ban Most Foreign Web Services | News | The Moscow Times
    Right, we'll use the anti Putin Moscow Times that he has allowed to be published to inform us.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    So much for diplomacy.
    Debaltseve is surrounded and the rebels offered the trapped Ukraine troops a corridor out and leave their weapons behind. Apparently Poroshenko figures out those troops would be better off dead because orders from Kiev tell them to fight. If OSCE is allowed in they will be targets if the troops don't lay down their arms. Everybody knew this at the signing and Kiev is trying to this as deception to keep territory that is lost. Obviously, it is not going to work, just get 5-10,000 Kiev troops killed.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    In reality there is open criticism of Putin in the press in Russia. As such I don't agree with this conclusion. Of course it is constrained and while I don't know for sure, my guess it is more constrained than the U.S. That said Russia does not spend the kind of money in the U.S. that the U.S. spends in Russia on critics of the government.
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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    I'm a big fan of Pussy Riot!
    The name is interesting. I don't know what they are about, but whatever it is, I hope it is about eradicating the deep seated malice that has gripped the minds of the people of this planet.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Debaltseve is surrounded and the rebels offered the trapped Ukraine troops a corridor out and leave their weapons behind. Apparently Poroshenko figures out those troops would be better off dead because orders from Kiev tell them to fight. If OSCE is allowed in they will be targets if the troops don't lay down their arms. Everybody knew this at the signing and Kiev is trying to this as deception to keep territory that is lost. Obviously, it is not going to work, just get 5-10,000 Kiev troops killed.
    The Minsk II ceasefire went into effect on 00.01 am (EET) 15, February 2015. There were no exceptions to the ceasefire in the Minsk II Accord.

    As I've posted previously, and you've simply ignored because it doesn't suit your pro-Russia agenda. Once again...

    Ukraine rebels disavow ceasefire at encircled town

    Reuters
    15 February 2015

    Ukraine's rebels disavowed a new truce on Sunday hours after it took effect, saying it did not apply to the town where most fighting has taken place in recent weeks. Pro-Russian rebels announced they would not observe the truce at Debaltseve, where Ukrainian army forces were encircled and Kiev military said rebel attacks on the town steadily increased from mid-afternoon on Sunday.

    The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, responsible for monitoring the ceasefire, said rebels had denied its observers access to Debaltseve.
    Not only have the rebels ignored the ceasefire at Debaltseve in violation of Minsk II, but they have also denied the OSCE (international monitors) access to Debaltseve which is also a violation of Minsk II.


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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Ukraine troops retreat from key town of Debaltseve

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    18 February 2015

    Petro Poroshenko said 80% of Ukraine's troops left on Wednesday morning, with more to follow. Fighting has raged over the transport hub, with pro-Russian rebels seizing control of most areas, despite a ceasefire deal. "This morning the Ukrainian armed forces together with the National Guard completed an operation for a planned and organised withdrawal from Debaltseve," the Ukrainian president said in a statement before travelling to the front-line in the east. "As of now we can say that 80% of our units have left," he said. "We are expecting another two columns (to leave)."

    Meanwhile a spokesman for Mrs Merkel condemned the rebel action in Debaltseve, saying it was a clear violation of the truce but that it was too early to determine whether that had failed. International observers monitoring the truce have been unable to enter the town. It has become a key prize for rebels and government forces, as it sits on a strategic railway line linking rebel-held Donetsk and Luhansk.
    What is the next strategic city that the rebels will claim the Minsk II total ceasefire doesn't apply to? Kramatorsk? Mariupol? Tactically, the military decision to withdraw government forces from Debaltseve is sound and prevents a repeat of the massacre at Illovaysk last August.

    The political ramifications of Debaltseve are potentially huge. German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande were utter fools to trust Putin and his rebels.


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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The name is interesting. I don't know what they are about, but whatever it is, I hope it is about eradicating the deep seated malice that has gripped the minds of the people of this planet.
    Close. They are a all female rock band who speaks out against the Russian government. They are known for doing a protest concert in a church and for a some of their members being arrested under the charge of hooliganism.
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