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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yeah I remember that. Poor guy. That is so unfortunate.
    Do not **** with the CIA, in the end it is not different than the KGB!!!!!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Do not **** with the CIA, in the end it is not different than the KGB!!!!!!
    At the end of the day it all boils down to people with power. People that have substantial amounts of power have a tendency to abuse it.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    At the end of the day it all boils down to people with power. People that have substantial amounts of power have a tendency to abuse it.
    Right. So the point being, the less democratic a country, the more overt the government crimes, and the more democratic the country, the more covert the government crimes. Its funny to me though the numbers of people that will take issue with that notion, only because its non partisan. If I were to claim that the Obama administration was guilty of such, no prob from the right, right? And if I were to say that of a republican administration, no problem from the left. It's when you point out BOTH, that you suddenly become an America hater, lol!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right. So the point being, the less democratic a country, the more overt the government crimes, and the more democratic the country, the more covert the government crimes. Its funny to me though the numbers of people that will take issue with that notion, only because its non partisan. If I were to claim that the Obama administration was guilty of such, no prob from the right, right? And if I were to say that of a republican administration, no problem from the left. It's when you point out BOTH, that you suddenly become an America hater, lol!
    I think you have touched on something here. Not only is the degree of overtness a function of the degree of democracy, it is also a function of how effective the brainwashing mechanisms, that those who weld government power have at their disposal, are. Your observation on the America hater label demonstrates that.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Did I say he did it to a reporter?
    If he didn't then why mention it in a debate about respective national press freedoms ?

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    If he didn't then why mention it in a debate about respective national press freedoms ?
    Because the example that I gave that you responded to did not talk about reporters specifically.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Because the example that I gave that you responded to did not talk about reporters specifically.
    So it was a simple deflection then ?

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right. So the point being, the less democratic a country, the more overt the government crimes, and the more democratic the country, the more covert the government crimes. Its funny to me though the numbers of people that will take issue with that notion, only because its non partisan. If I were to claim that the Obama administration was guilty of such, no prob from the right, right? And if I were to say that of a republican administration, no problem from the left. It's when you point out BOTH, that you suddenly become an America hater, lol!
    But you simply ARE an America hater and its evident with almost every post you make here !

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    But you simply ARE an America hater and its evident with almost every post you make here !
    Right! And you're one of those that keeps saying, "if you're not with us, you are against us," and blathering about patriotism and unthinking obedience to authority. You are the one with the hater and nonsensical viewpoint. Open your eyes and take a look at the real world. The bad guys are all the Central Bankers and the US Treasury gave them the US Treasury to wheel and deal and says they are "too big to fail." These people make money by ginning up wars and siphoning National patrimonies. It's a new brand of "debtors prison" on a National scale. All you have to do is get a developing/third world Nation in the debt trap and install your sipin hose and If you watch Ukraine with unbiased glasses, you will be able to observe it in real time. It's a numbers thing. The rich will get bigger numbers and the poor will get smaller numbers. The US MSM will be parroting whatever the CIA Perception Management team is proffering, ergo if that is where you get your information/news, you will be clueless. Take a good look at their recent success stories Libya, Syria, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Honduras,etc. In all those Nations, the poor are a lot poorer.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Right! And you're one of those that keeps saying, "if you're not with us, you are against us," and blathering about patriotism and unthinking obedience to authority. You are the one with the hater and nonsensical viewpoint. Open your eyes and take a look at the real world. The bad guys are all the Central Bankers and the US Treasury gave them the US Treasury to wheel and deal and says they are "too big to fail." These people make money by ginning up wars and siphoning National patrimonies. It's a new brand of "debtors prison" on a National scale. All you have to do is get a developing/third world Nation in the debt trap and install your sipin hose and If you watch Ukraine with unbiased glasses, you will be able to observe it in real time. It's a numbers thing. The rich will get bigger numbers and the poor will get smaller numbers. The US MSM will be parroting whatever the CIA Perception Management team is proffering, ergo if that is where you get your information/news, you will be clueless. Take a good look at their recent success stories Libya, Syria, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Honduras,etc. In all those Nations, the poor are a lot poorer.
    I hope unburdening yourself of that meandering anti capitalist rant has made you feel better about your own personal failures in life

    Moving on ........

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