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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You think I couldn't back up that view? You need look no further than the strict rules of engagement that have been placed on US military personnel when in the Middle East. For instance, we all know that our troops are prohibited from attacking/destroying mosques, even when we know damn well that attacks are being organized in there. Hell, ISIS doesn't even give that consideration as has been demonstrate by them destroying multiple religions sites.
    So you think the U.S. was in the Middle East for the sake of all those innocent children who were killed by the U.S. as a result of the invasion and occupation of Iraq?

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    This is of interest

    COINTELPRO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There is a limit.
    Sinister though Hoover undoubtedly was , he's been dead now for 43 years , during which time things have certainly improved. Unlike with Russia I seriously doubt journalists are being killed for speaking out today
    Last edited by flogger; 02-17-15 at 09:28 AM.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Sinister though Hoover undoubtedly was , he's been dead now for 43 years , during which time things have certainly improved. Unlike with Russia I seriously doubt journalists are being killed for speaking out today
    Here's something of interest

    According to an MSNBC story on December 13, Rumsfeld’s Pentagon is tracking some of the most innocuous and lawful protests.

    For instance, the Pentagon has a file on an anti-war group that was gathering at the Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Florida, to plan a counter-recruiting effort at local high schools.

    That group of Quakers constitutes a “threat,” according to a 400-page Pentagon document that MSNBC got hold of.

    It was “one of more than 1,500 ‘suspicious incidents’ across the country over a recent 10-month period” that caught the attention of the Pentagon snoops, MSNBC said. Of these, “nearly four dozen” were anti-war meetings or protests.
    Rumsfeld Spies on Quakers and Grannies | The Progressive

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So you think the U.S. was in the Middle East for the sake of all those innocent children who were killed by the U.S. as a result of the invasion and occupation of Iraq?
    You and I both know steel that the US went into Iraq for multiple reasons. Of course, had everything gone as the US planned, all those innocent children never would of died because the US would of been out of there shortly after establishing a new government. But if you are going to talk about all the innocents killed, make sure you mention the majority of those killed in the conflict was due to sectarian strife and civil war. You can argue the US made a bad move in removing Hussein because he kept the radicals in check, but there's no way in hell you can argue that he was good for the majority Shiite or the Kurds for that matter.

    And before you're dumb enough to step into "ITZ ALLZ FOR OILZ!!!" shtick, you might want to have a gander at where the majority of the oil goes to.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't doubt the government do this but its some way short of killing people

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Why shut it down? It has a daily (Mon-Fri) circulation of 35,000.

    Lol. Exactly the same daily circulation as the Town Prairie Leader newspaper of rural Todd County in Minnesota...

    Which can spread and find their way in all corners. But Putin doesn't shut it down. What you can't explain, is the fact that Putin allows a paper critical of himself and his government to be published and distributed in the heart of Russia.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You and I both know steel that the US went into Iraq for multiple reasons. Of course, had everything gone as the US planned, all those innocent children never would of died because the US would of been out of there shortly after establishing a new government. But if you are going to talk about all the innocents killed, make sure you mention the majority of those killed in the conflict was due to sectarian strife and civil war. You can argue the US made a bad move in removing Hussein because he kept the radicals in check, but there's no way in hell you can argue that he was good for the majority Shiite or the Kurds for that matter.

    And before you're dumb enough to step into "ITZ ALLZ FOR OILZ!!!" shtick, you might want to have a gander at where the majority of the oil goes to.
    People say we’re not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America’s national interest. What the hell do you think they’re talking about? We’re not there for figs.

    Chuck Hagel, 2007


    4 Star General John Abizaid – the former commander of CENTCOM with responsibility for Iraq – said:

    Of course it’s about oil, it’s very much about oil, and we can’t really deny that.

    Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan – a long-time Republican – said in 2007:

    I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil


    John McCain said in 2008:

    My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will — that will then prevent us — that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.


    Key war architect – and Under Secretary of State – John Bolton said:

    The critical oil and natural gas producing region that we fought so many wars to try and protect our economy from the adverse impact of losing that supply or having it available only at very high prices.
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    People say we’re not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America’s national interest. What the hell do you think they’re talking about? We’re not there for figs.

    Chuck Hagel, 2007


    4 Star General John Abizaid – the former commander of CENTCOM with responsibility for Iraq – said:

    Of course it’s about oil, it’s very much about oil, and we can’t really deny that.

    Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan – a long-time Republican – said in 2007:

    I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil


    John McCain said in 2008:

    My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will — that will then prevent us — that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.
    People say stupid ****, or otherwise get misquoted all the time, doesn't make it any more true. It is true that we would like maintain a stable flow of oil from the region, but that is a far cry different then trying to push the idea that we went to Iraq for western oil companies to take over all the oil exporting from Iraq and ship that stuff straight to the west. We know this isn't true from the results:

    US EIA Report: Iraq

    That's right, the US isn't even the leading importer of oil from Iraq, CHINA IS!

    Now stop making yourself look like fool with such dribble, it's embarrassing.

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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Which can spread and find their way in all corners. But Putin doesn't shut it down. What you can't explain, is the fact that Putin allows a paper critical of himself and his government to be published and distributed in the heart of Russia.
    Simple. It provides him an out for folks who grasp at the most tenuous of straws.


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    Re: Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    People say stupid ****, or otherwise get misquoted all the time, doesn't make it any more true. It is true that we would like maintain a stable flow of oil from the region, but that is a far cry different then trying to push the idea that we went to Iraq for western oil companies to take over all the oil exporting from Iraq and ship that stuff straight to the west. We know this isn't true from the results:

    US EIA Report: Iraq

    That's right, the US isn't even the leading importer of oil from Iraq, CHINA IS!

    Now stop making yourself look like fool with such dribble, it's embarrassing.
    These are just people, Jesus, ok HB. And what are you and what are you spewing?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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