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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    What we are seeing is the last refuge of this political fight. It does not matter how many polls we bring up showing strong support for marriage equality, there will be a sizable group across the nation that pushes for legislation like what Cruz is proposing here. Predictably we still have plenty of voters in the SE especially that see this as a State's Rights issue as a potential last fight. Think, similarity to how this fight occurred out in California after the Proposition 8 vote.

    My issue at this point is political capital. With the recent success in gaining control of the 114th Congress it could be argued well that the intentions of the voter was to handle economic, some domestic spending, and foreign matters. There is not much evidence that the social barometer of the nation all of a sudden switched direction looking for the 114th Congress to introduce social conservative legislation. But to appease constituents it appears they will try anyway. My worry is these days that is how Democrats can bait Republicans right out of office, at stake is 2016 with Hillary in the wait with whatever 115th Congress she faces.

    If Republicans want to stay politically relevant going forward they are going to have to adapt to the social barometer of the nation. Support for marriage equality is doing nothing but going up and the number of States that have fallen one way or another to allow gay marriage is in the majority. Cruz's actions seem to me to be another "prop 8" vote. That was done right before California courts could decide on a few challenges, just as Cruz's proposal is right before the Supreme Court can decide on a few challenges.

    The backlash could be enough to compromise Republican momentum headed into 2016, and the last thing we need to do is hand Hillary a bigger win and potentially with a more complicit 115th Congress.
    in many ways i agree wholeheartedly and have said so in other threads.
    Its not how I think it should be but in 2015 the political atmosphere will make it that way.
    any candidate that has recently fought hard against equal rights or makes it part of thier running campaign to overturn it will lose the election, and yes you are right hand Hilary a large win
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    1.)SSM has never been about making sure homosexuals weren't discriminated, but about allowing them access to the same legal protections and goodies that heterosexual couples have.
    2.) And that's what any marriage, whether it be straight or gay is: a legal agreement between two people that you have to take to the courthouse.
    3.) And there's no argument that you can give that wouldn't also apply to polygamy, which is why many oppose them.
    4.) Because really, the only reason we don't allow 4.Polygamy today is because it's a social taboo, as was SSM for the longest time.
    5.) Once you remove the taboo, you realize there's nothing to stop extending legal protections to them.
    6.) And the reason it didn't exist for women or minorities is obvious; you don't go to a courthouse to become black or a woman.
    1.) thats simply 100% false, its always been a second or first stepping stone to many people because people knew they would go hand in hand by design.
    2.) correct legal marriage is a legal contract
    3.) like i already said there is no legal precedence for arguing solely about equal rights for gays that lones itself to polygamy . . . none . . . zero
    if you disagree simply make one, it cant be done
    4.) and the fact that polygamy is not a right polygamy would be a NEW right, not a fight for equal rights.
    5.) this doesnt bother me but again if they want to fight for that new right
    6.) that has nothing to do with equal rights you dont go to the court house to be gay either LMAO
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) thats simply 100% false, its always been a second or first stepping stone to many people because people knew they would go hand in hand by design.
    2.) correct legal marriage is a legal contract
    3.) like i already said there is no legal precedence for arguing solely about equal rights for gays that lones itself to polygamy . . . none . . . zero
    if you disagree simply make one, it cant be done
    4.) and the fact that polygamy is not a right polygamy would be a NEW right, not a fight for equal rights.
    5.) this doesnt bother me but again if they want to fight for that new right
    6.) that has nothing to do with equal rights you dont go to the court house to be gay either LMAO
    Let me sum this up because I'm not going to go over the same points again:

    You have a right to be Gay in the US, you do not have the right to Gay Marriage.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    It could be that they are standing up for their sincere belief that marriage is between one man and one woman.
    And it could be that conservatives are once again standing up for more laws, fewer rights and freedoms and more of the Bible in the justice system. There's a widening gulf between how conservatives talk and how they walk.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Let me sum this up because I'm not going to go over the same points again:

    You have a right to be Gay in the US, you do not have the right to Gay Marriage.
    And then again, conservatives will tell you that rights aren't given, they're inherent. Well, gays have that right in most states and will in all despite the best efforts of conservative petty tyrants.
    'Legal' is the default setting and you need a damn good reason before you make something illegal. In my philosophy, anyway, but I'm liberal so I don't approve of government meddling where it doesn't belong.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    And then again, conservatives will tell you that rights aren't given, they're inherent. Well, gays have that right in most states and will in all despite the best efforts of conservative petty tyrants.
    'Legal' is the default setting and you need a damn good reason before you make something illegal. In my philosophy, anyway, but I'm liberal so I don't approve of government meddling where it doesn't belong.
    Strange definition of Liberal. But regardless, honestly the government shouldn't be in the position of defining marriage in the first place. Again though, it's really not about discriminating gays as it is preventing a slippery slope where other doors are then opened.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Strange definition of Liberal. But regardless, honestly the government shouldn't be in the position of defining marriage in the first place. Again though, it's really not about discriminating gays as it is preventing a slippery slope where other doors are then opened.
    I'd say most conservatives have a strange definition of conservatism, considering they approve of more laws, fewer rights and freedoms, more power for the police, more religion in government, etc.
    Those other doors should never have been closed. Liberals pried them open for women's suffrage and black civil rights and liberals are still prying doors open despite the best efforts of those petty tyrants.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'm not sure how it's a fallacy when you validate the point in the previous line...Haters gotta hate I suppose.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    No, that's what I'm saying. SSM is an issue, must like drugs incidentally, that the nation has been softening on for about a decade. And there are serious legal issues raises when you try to extend the 14th amendment to protect legal agreements (which is really what SSM is all about). It opens up the doors for all sorts of other issues like incest and polygamy. I'm not saying that loving someone of the same sex is a choice, but to enter into a legal agreement that says such is. See the difference?
    There is no "slippery slope" and there is no reason to think that current bans on incest and polygamy will be declared unconstitutional. I'm afraid those that believe so are just showing their bigotry against SSM.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Let me sum this up because I'm not going to go over the same points again:You have a right to be Gay in the US, you do not have the right to Gay Marriage.
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    That's changing thankfully.

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