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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    No they arent the same gun rights are explicit in the constitution and much more essential to freedom than the privileges afforded to married couples.
    Well that's wrong because it's not about "married couples" and their "privileges". It's about equal rights which is also explicit in the constitution.You see how it all connected right? How it all connects in to discrimination protection and right to work etc etc. Ranking gun rights over equal rights is insanity. While I also fight for guns rights, making me get a back ground check or having to have a license to conceal carry is nothing like denying me equal rights as a woman or based on sexual orientation. I'm shocked anybody could even think that, good lord.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The only thing I have an issue with this about is that first cousins only increases chances of birth defects by 2%, putting the chance at 4%. When it comes to siblings or parent/child getting together, it is around 40%. The risk is not really big enough when it comes to firsts cousins (pretty sure the risk is higher for people over 40 than it is for first cousins, so long as it is single generation). Plus, the undue influence over the relationship isn't nearly as likely, since we tend to live separate from our first cousins here in the US for the most part. Most people really aren't raised with them.
    Pet peeve time: if you go from 2 % chance to 4 % chance, that is a 100 % increase...
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    No they arent the same gun rights are explicit in the constitution and much more essential to freedom than the privileges afforded to married couples.
    Not every thread is about guns.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    The 10th Amendment seems in conflict with the 14th Amendment.
    That conflict resolution shouldn't be decided by portrayals in (e.g.) movies that over time encourage changes in public attitude that over time encourage obsequious politicians one way or the other.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Cruz is an idiot, elected by idiots.
    Cruz's uncontrollable rants is a blot on the right-wing Republican Party. Ted Cruz, junior senator from Texas, is the darling of the Tea Party and never in this lifetime would have gotten elected without that unorthodox Tea Party group backing him.....mainstream America run from the Cruz type as if the devil himself were after them. I will admit, Cruz, even though its said he received a superior first class education, is living proof he did not learn much and seemingly falls more into the idiot category than not....By his own words he looks down upon everyone else with a nauseating, unthinkable smugness, thinking himself an elitist from the academic world. Cruz has so alienated the establishment Republicans that when he enters the room, most Republicans look down at their shoes. Yet, this jackass is running for president! He's truly a waste of time and energy.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    The 10th Amendment seems in conflict with the 14th Amendment.
    It does not. They work together, as does the whole constitution.


    That conflict resolution shouldn't be decided by portrayals in (e.g.) movies that over time encourage changes in public attitude that over time encourage obsequious politicians one way or the other.
    That has exactly nothing to do with the 10th, nor the 14th, nor SSM.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It does not. They work together, as does the whole constitution.

    That has exactly nothing to do with the 10th, nor the 14th, nor SSM
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    1) States Rights can be seen in conflict with Federal Rights guarantee.
    2) Public opinion shouldn't have anything to do with the resolution but it does.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    1) States Rights can be seen in conflict with Federal Rights guarantee.
    States have never had the right to violate the consitution, and the 10th is clear on that: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." See the part in bold. That covers the 14th.

    2) Public opinion shouldn't have anything to do with the resolution but it does.
    Not really, no. Rule of law will determine the outcome. Essentially, if states can define why it has a legitimate reason to deny SSM couples getting married(at the least, it is possible Intermediate Scrutiny would apply, especially if the justices buy the argument that SSM bans are a form of gender discrimination), then they can define marriage in such a way as to not allow SSM. That is a legal question, not a popularity question.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    ted cruz and bobby jindal certainly do want to do so. They've said nothing that i've seen that indicates they want to limit it to "states' marriage rights"
    Wanting to allow people of the states to determine if the State is going to recognize a legal arrangement is a far cry from locking up people just because of their sexual orientation. Get real.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    The 10th Amendment seems in conflict with the 14th Amendment.
    That conflict resolution shouldn't be decided by portrayals in (e.g.) movies that over time encourage changes in public attitude that over time encourage obsequious politicians one way or the other.
    No they work together and when one oversteps the system fixes itself. Unfortunately sometimes this takes a very long time.
    I don't see how movies or public opinion play any role because neither matter. What are you talking about?
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