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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Butchering of English grammar aside, I'm actually semi-okay with this and here's why: essentially what he is arguing for is to protect a state's ability choose if it wants to allow SSM in the state or not. Mainly because the way the electorate is going anyways, even if said bill was passed, eventually every state will legalize SSM anyways.
    Let's put his marriage up for a vote instead

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    I'm sure he's ambitious enough to one to be President one day, but he's not stupid enough to think it'll happen in the next 4-8 years.
    Will be even worse then, when his opponent surely brings up in the prez debates all the bigoted filth vomited out of cruz's mouth

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    This isn't some backwater African government that wants to ban any expression or support for homosexuality.
    ted cruz and bobby jindal certainly do want to do so. They've said nothing that i've seen that indicates they want to limit it to "states' marriage rights"

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I would hate to see a nation where one day incest would be allowed, however, it does need to be pointed out that the risks associated with incest have been forever and always overstated. Also, isn't it the liberal tenant that a person, man or woman, is in control of their own bodies, and the decisions they make are theirs and theirs only? If a daughter and a father wanted to marry each other after the age of consent, and decided to make babies, what legal precedence allows the government to interfere? Well you could say, well there is a statistical chance that the baby being born would have defects, but then again, that argument can be made for a whole host of natural occurrences among men and women. We don't say that people over the age of 40 can't procreate, BUT we know that statistically their chances of having a child with health problems goes up dramatically. The issue is informed consent. If someone wants to take the chance, who are we to stop them?


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    Consent is very difficult to firmly establish with something like that, because blackmail would be prevalent ("marry me or your inheritance goes bye bye"). For similar reasons, it's generally taboo for a supervisor to marry or date an employee. How do you truly know it's consensual?

    It's also, i would argue, a compelling state interest to not have tons of deformed babies. There are often laws against first cousins marrying as well for this reason.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Consent is very difficult to firmly establish with something like that, because blackmail would be prevalent ("marry me or your inheritance goes bye bye"). For similar reasons, it's generally taboo for a supervisor to marry or date an employee. How do you truly know it's consensual?

    It's also, i would argue, a compelling state interest to not have tons of deformed babies. There are often laws against first cousins marrying as well for this reason.
    The only thing I have an issue with this about is that first cousins only increases chances of birth defects by 2%, putting the chance at 4%. When it comes to siblings or parent/child getting together, it is around 40%. The risk is not really big enough when it comes to firsts cousins (pretty sure the risk is higher for people over 40 than it is for first cousins, so long as it is single generation). Plus, the undue influence over the relationship isn't nearly as likely, since we tend to live separate from our first cousins here in the US for the most part. Most people really aren't raised with them.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage - CNN.com



    wow what a waste of time and money, also nothing like making sure you wont be president either lol Equal rights is coming bigots . .. give it up

    again im not saying this one topic SHOULD decide who could be president but any candidate that comes out against equal rights and they make it "PART OF THEIR CAMPAIGN AND RUNNING PLATFORM" is sure to lose lol

    its just the way politics will be in 2016

    lastly traditional marriage is in no danger by equal rights, its a made up subjective thing, it wont be impacted at all

    next "the obama administration forcing it"? It doesnt get any dumber than that.

    good lord
    the war is over but its entertaining seeing the last desperate attempts of bigotry, it shows peoples true colors
    Wow that is just a dip**** move. I'll never understand the push to stop people from having rights. I mean don't get me wrong people can believe whatever they want but who they hell are they to try to deny others the same great rights, protections and freedoms we share in this country? It's childish and pathetic, it reminds me of watching bullies on some tv show hahaha
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    Wow that is just a dip**** move. I'll never understand the push to stop people from having rights. I mean don't get me wrong people can believe whatever they want but who they hell are they to try to deny others the same great rights, protections and freedoms we share in this country? It's childish and pathetic, it reminds me of watching bullies on some tv show hahaha
    do you have the same opinion about gun control laws?

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It amazes me that so many GOPers are willing to hitch their wagon to such a clear losing issue.
    Well I'm not one of them! I mean by some people standards I'm probably not a "GOPer", I'm an independent who leans right but this is something I'd never even want associated with. Its disgusting! Like I said people are free to think its wrong but denying others rights is a very sickening concept to me. It simply reminds me of the hatred towards minorities and my own gender, it's repulsive.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    do you have the same opinion about gun control laws?
    Not the "same" but similar that's for sure. It's not the same trying to make somebody a second class citizen and trying to make it harder for people to get a gun. They are both oppression but the first one is foul, humanly disgusting, oppression. FYI I have my LCP

    You don't honestly think those are the same do you? They are only similar in a very general sense.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    Not the "same" but similar that's for sure. It's not the same trying to make somebody a second class citizen and trying to make it harder for people to get a gun. They are both oppression but the first one is foul, humanly disgusting, oppression. FYI I have my LCP

    You don't honestly think those are the same do you? They are only similar in a very general sense.
    No they arent the same gun rights are explicit in the constitution and much more essential to freedom than the privileges afforded to married couples.

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