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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I know what he is going for but the problem is the state has no power to choose in this case. The states rights are already fully in tact. Bannings overreached thier power and thats why they are being corrected.

    Saying that "eventually" states will probably stop infringin on and violating individual rights is not a good point at all, and its purely a guess. It was either alabama or mississippi that tried a bill to stop interracial marriage in the last past 2-3 years, of course it failed but Im just saying . . . . .
    No, that's what I'm saying. SSM is an issue, must like drugs incidentally, that the nation has been softening on for about a decade. And there are serious legal issues raises when you try to extend the 14th amendment to protect legal agreements (which is really what SSM is all about). It opens up the doors for all sorts of other issues like incest and polygamy. I'm not saying that loving someone of the same sex is a choice, but to enter into a legal agreement that says such is. See the difference?

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    Cruz is an idiot, elected by idiots.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It amazes me that so many GOPers are willing to hitch their wagon to such a clear losing issue.
    And 10 years ago this issue got Bush re-elected. It's crazy how much movement there's been on the issue in such a short period of time.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    And 10 years ago this issue got Bush re-elected. It's crazy how much movement there's been on the issue in such a short period of time.
    Absolutely true. The GOP's move to get gay marriage ballot initiatives in battleground states in 2004, when support was middling but the people against it would turn out in droves, was a masterstroke. It was cynical, dark politics, but it won an election.
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    Cruz is an idiot, elected by idiots.
    I certainly don't think he's an idiot. I do think he's soulless, shameless and slimy.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I certainly don't think he's an idiot. I do think he's soulless, shameless and slimy.
    Does that have more to do with a) not liking his politics and/or b) being cynical he buys into said politics?

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It amazes me that so many GOPers are willing to hitch their wagon to such a clear losing issue.
    It could be that they are standing up for their sincere belief that marriage is between one man and one woman.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    1.)No, that's what I'm saying. SSM is an issue, must like drugs incidentally, that the nation has been softening on for about a decade. 2.) And there are serious legal issues raises when you try to extend the 14th amendment to protect legal agreements (which is really what SSM is all about). It opens up the doors for all sorts of other issues like incest and polygamy. I'm not saying that loving someone of the same sex is a choice, but to enter into a legal agreement that says such is. See the difference?

    1.) as far as wanting it to be illegal or banned, its only an issue for bigots and people against equal rights. Those people "feelings" dont matter
    2.) good grief sorry but no it doesnt extend (open the doors) to incest and polygamy
    there is ZERO legal precedence that is based solely on equal rights for SSM that lends itself to polygamy and incest, not one

    if your argument held true at all individual rights and equal rights is the problem itself in your scenario, not protecting the equal rights of gays

    i could apply yourargument to any rights, women's minorities, religious etc etc theres no danger here
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Does that have more to do with a) not liking his politics and/or b) being cynical he buys into said politics?
    Both, I guess.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) as far as wanting it to be illegal or banned, its only an issue for bigots and people against equal rights. Those people "feelings" dont matter
    2.) good grief sorry but no it doesnt extend (open the doors) to incest and polygamy
    there is ZERO legal precedence that is based solely on equal rights for SSM that lends itself to polygamy and incest, not one

    if your argument held true at all individual rights and equal rights is the problem itself in your scenario, not protecting the equal rights of gays

    i could apply yourargument to any rights, women's minorities, religious etc etc theres no danger here
    You're not listening to what I'm saying. The reason it wouldn't apply to women or race is because you are judging them based solely on who they, not what their doing. You feel, and I think many on our side erroneously think so as well, that many of those who oppose SSM do so because they simply hate gays. This isn't some backwater African government that wants to ban any expression or support for homosexuality. What they fear most is what will happen when you start assigning equal rights to legal arrangements and that's all that marriage (straight or gay) is. Once you start assigning those protections to legal arrangements, then you start to move into the territory where stuff like polygamy can be recognized under the law and offered the same treatment as other marriages.

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