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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, known as the "Full Faith and Credit Clause", addresses the duties that states within the United States have to respect the "public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state."
    Yeah, and your point is?

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    That kind of tortured logic is why the constitution has turned into a joke. If you twist it like a pretzel you can do anything you want with the all powerful Federal government.
    I think its funny how using the Constitution to protect the rights of individuals has turned it "into a joke".
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Yes they can regulate, and they do without objection: Age, # of existing spouses, & blood relation.

    That's not how the US system of laws work. A new law immediately becomes enforceable and trumps a court decision, until a new court decision(injunction, constitutional review, etc) is made.
    Actually, it is not true that a new law would immediately become enforceable until it went back up to the Court. For instance, a state could not make a law reenacting segregation or punishing interracial couples for getting married, banning interfaith couples from getting married and legitimately believe that such laws would be enforceable. People will likely try to enforce them, but that doesn't mean they couldn't face legal penalties/punishment of some kind for doing so since we already have Court decisions dealing with these issues.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, and?
    State's can certainly choose what they want for their own state as far as a definition for marriage, until SCOTUS rules otherwise, but they cannot deny the rights and privileges granted by another state, in other words they must give it "full faith and credit." The full faith and credit clause is in Article IV of the Constitution... hence, trying to use the federal government in this way is blatantly unconstitutional. It is DOMA by another name.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    That kind of tortured logic is why the constitution has turned into a joke. If you twist it like a pretzel you can do anything you want with the all powerful Federal government.
    I am sorry the equal protection clause has made this country such a terrible place.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I would hate to see a nation where one day incest would be allowed, however, it does need to be pointed out that the risks associated with incest have been forever and always overstated. Also, isn't it the liberal tenant that a person, man or woman, is in control of their own bodies, and the decisions they make are theirs and theirs only? If a daughter and a father wanted to marry each other after the age of consent, and decided to make babies, what legal precedence allows the government to interfere? Well you could say, well there is a statistical chance that the baby being born would have defects, but then again, that argument can be made for a whole host of natural occurrences among men and women. We don't say that people over the age of 40 can't procreate, BUT we know that statistically their chances of having a child with health problems goes up dramatically. The issue is informed consent. If someone wants to take the chance, who are we to stop them?


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    Well then, you shouldn't live in the US. Several states allow some form of incest to exist legally, including Rhode Island, New Jersey, and Ohio. In New Jersey, so long as they are over 18, it is legal. There are no criminal incest statutes anymore in Rhode Island, but they are not allowed to legally marry.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Here is a blog response that you might find useful: CounterPoint: Yes, Virginia, States Really Do Have Rights - The Liberty Papers

    There has been tension between states rights and federal powers since the beginning.
    As I stated in another thread though, that tension almost always is due to states and the people within them wanting to violate the Constitution and infringe upon the rights of individuals. Segregation, Jim Crow laws, interracial marriage, sodomy, same sex marriage, and so many others from our past involved the state trying to restrict individual rights, and the federal government stepping in via the SCOTUS (after those citizens that were being restricted challenged the law) to declare those laws unconstitutional.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    God defined marriage when he made Adam and Eve. He sure didn't make Adam and Steve.
    Actually, He made Adam and Lilith first, then Eve. Plus, likely many more people since those wives and babies to Cain and Able had to come from somewhere.

    In reality, you can't prove this so this argument fails. Adam and Eve could not be shown to exist, and even if they could be, they had nothing like the marriages we have today. No judge, paperwork, ring, questions about child custody, assets, divorce, etc.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I used to work with a guy named Bill, but he preferred everyone address him as William. Everybody called him Bill, instead.
    I had grandparents who everyone called "Chuck and Bill". (Their names were not even close to either of these nicknames.)
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Wouldn't matter even if it did pass. Without a constitutional amendment, which failed even under Bush II, the supreme court would invalidate such legislature in june.

    But yes, he is a monster and a complete liar (obama has never pushed for such a thing), and it's disgusting anyone would vote for him, other than for the office of "town dunce"

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