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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

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    I feel I should point out that these laws protect race and gender, not black or female. White men are protected in the same way.
    True, but these laws were born out of a need to protect those mentioned from white men, and men in general. They were minorities, and YOU and I both know it. The law protects us all, but why the need for such laws was to protect only a few, contemporaneous with the times.


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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    No, I just don't have any patience for speaking to someone who can't maintain a modicum of civility. If you drop your passage aggressive tone perhaps you'd get further with your communicative skills.
    another dodge, thats what i thought
    fact remains:
    action is NOT needed to be gay
    there are no protected minority groups
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    it means many more people than gays wont vote for him, it means many people that support equal rights and the Constitution wont vote for him

    but i agree, him making sure he wont be president is no loss
    I couldn't care less about Cruz. I'd like to see a ticket with Ben Carson and Scott Walker. They'd make a good team.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They can defend state rights, but the States are held to the Constitution as is the federal government. Government cannot discriminate. The marriage license is government issued and recognized contract. That's pretty much the end of it.
    Geez, randomly run into you in two threads today. In this case you are somewhat wrong. The government can and does discriminate. What the government needs to be able to discriminate is a good reason. For example, using marriage again as an example, the government discriminates against young people by not allowing people under a certain age get married. They have a damn good reason for that discrimination however and it would easily survive constitutional challenge.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    100% correct..
    Except that he is in fact wrong.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    States do have the ability to apply local regulations to gun ownership, as the licensing laws in New York. I'm not claiming that the Feds can't do anything they want, certainly they can and they prove that daily. I am saying that they are exceeding the constitutional limits, not only in marriage but in many other areas of governance.

    In addition, It's my opinion that SCOTUS shouldn't have standing in the upcoming challenge. My opinion won't stop them but I believe that the only way the Federal government should be involved is by amendment.
    The courts don't need standing to hear a case. They need jurisdiction, and SCOTUS does have jurisdiction
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I couldn't care less about Cruz. I'd like to see a ticket with Ben Carson and Scott Walker. They'd make a good team.
    LMAO you HAVE to be joking . . . .

    Ben Carson has ZERO chance of winning, he is in the group with Palin, Bachmann, and Cain as far as changes in the white house

    walker has a better chance if he can keep social issues out of his platform, thats just the way its going to be in 2016
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except that he is in fact wrong.
    not in context he isnt

    yes if you take his statments out of context and just read them as stand alones then yes they could be wrong
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Geez, randomly run into you in two threads today. In this case you are somewhat wrong. The government can and does discriminate. What the government needs to be able to discriminate is a good reason. For example, using marriage again as an example, the government discriminates against young people by not allowing people under a certain age get married. They have a damn good reason for that discrimination however and it would easily survive constitutional challenge.
    to expand on that, the govt can not only discriminate, it can limit people's rights. However, in order to do so, it must show that the govt has a legitimate interest in doing so and that the discrimination (or limiting of rights) serves that interest

    I can't think of a legitimate governmental interest that is served by limiting marriage to opposite sex couples.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    not in context he isnt

    yes if you take his statments out of context and just read them as stand alones then yes they could be wrong
    No, actually in context he is wrong.
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