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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

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    1.)Huh? Called what?
    1.) Um, what? Who said it was, and what do you mean by "action"?



    What do you mean? Are you saying that the civil rights laws of the 60's does not protect minority groups, such as Blacks? Laws protecting women, and age discrimination, disabled etc.. These are all minority groups, and in the case of women, gender, and in some states, and now the Federal government, we have laws protecting sexual orientation from discrimination? Unless you think they're protecting them from something else, please elucidate? Besides all that, I never made any such comments in this regard to you or anyone else in this thread, so perhaps based on the available evidence, you really are having a grandiose memory of me?


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    you said i dont know facts, these are the facts i posted in this thread

    now are they fact or arent they not, simply question, yes or no

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    From a constitutional stand point, I have issue with our marriage laws because I think it's inherently a EPC violation due to gender discrimination. Taking that out of the equation though....

    I have zero issue with States deciding if they want to issue the liscences in their state or not.

    I have issue with a state deciding it won't recognize the liscence of another state, or the federal goverment not recognizing one issued by a state.
    This is one very possible outcome of the SCOTUS ruling due in June. That states are allowed to decide who gets married in their states, but that once a state marries some one, they are married in all 50 states. Probably not the most likely outcome, but certainly high on the list of possible outcomes.

    I also have a MASSIVE issue with using the amendment process to EMPOWER the government to restrict the rights that citizens have. No other amendment, other than prohibition, actively sought to empower the government to restrict the rights that citizens have, except in instances where said rights were clearly infringing upon the rights of another. The amendment process absolutely should not be used to WEAKEN the amount of freedom a citizen without said freedom conflicting with another citizens freedom, and it absolutely should not be used to EMPOWER the government further without said empowerment occuring in order to legitimately protect the freedoms of a citizen.

    NO ONES inalienable rights are being infringed by two people of the same sex being married.
    We need more conservatives like this. Not because it ends up in agreement with me on an SSM issue, but because he does not want to use the constitution to limit what others do. That is one of the more important issues with me, though I extend it to not using the constitution(ie amending it) for little ****. Far too often the response for some people is to call to amend the constitution, and is annoys me no end. We should not amend the constitution to get around Citizens United, or to get around SSM rulings, or to get around Roe v Wade or any other ruling. It should not be done for petty things like a proposed flag burning amendment. It should only be done for big, important issues where it can't be done other ways and a right needs protecting.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    It's not my place to oppose SCOTUS however all of this should have been handled by legislation. States have the right to regulate marriage until the Feds amend the constitution. Both of those situations I'm ok with.
    States do have the right to regulate marriage, nobody is contesting that.

    However, state actions are still bound by the constitution. For example, a state cannot issue a blanket firearm ban as that would violate the second amendment. Similarly, the state cannot define marriage as between a man and a woman because this violates the 14th amendment, or so says the constitutional challenge that SCOTUS will hear this June.

    So, the only real question at hand is whether or not same sex marriage bans violate the 14th amendment. This isn't a "federal government versus state government" issue.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    LMAO
    translation: you cant back up your failed and proven wrong claims, thats what we thought.
    let us know when you can, thanks

    No, I just don't have any patience for speaking to someone who can't maintain a modicum of civility. If you drop your passage aggressive tone perhaps you'd get further with your communicative skills.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Huh? Called what?

    I don't even know what you're talking about?



    Um, what? Who said it was, and what do you mean by "action"?



    What do you mean? Are you saying that the civil rights laws of the 60's does not protect minority groups, such as Blacks? Laws protecting women, and age discrimination, disabled etc.. These are all minority groups, and in the case of women, gender, and in some states, and now the Federal government, we have laws protecting sexual orientation from discrimination? Unless you think they're protecting them from something else, please elucidate? Besides all that, I never made any such comments in this regard to you or anyone else in this thread, so perhaps based on the available evidence, you really are having a grandiose memory of me?


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    I feel I should point out that these laws protect race and gender, not black or female. White men are protected in the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

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    Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage - CNN.com



    wow what a waste of time and money, also nothing like making sure you wont be president either lol Equal rights is coming bigots . .. give it up

    again im not saying this one topic SHOULD decide who could be president but any candidate that comes out against equal rights and they make it "PART OF THEIR CAMPAIGN AND RUNNING PLATFORM" is sure to lose lol

    its just the way politics will be in 2016

    lastly traditional marriage is in no danger by equal rights, its a made up subjective thing, it wont be impacted at all

    next "the obama administration forcing it"? It doesnt get any dumber than that.

    good lord
    the war is over but its entertaining seeing the last desperate attempts of bigotry, it shows peoples true colors
    They can defend state rights, but the States are held to the Constitution as is the federal government. Government cannot discriminate. The marriage license is government issued and recognized contract. That's pretty much the end of it.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

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    Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage - CNN.com



    wow what a waste of time and money, also nothing like making sure you wont be president either lol Equal rights is coming bigots . .. give it up

    again im not saying this one topic SHOULD decide who could be president but any candidate that comes out against equal rights and they make it "PART OF THEIR CAMPAIGN AND RUNNING PLATFORM" is sure to lose lol

    its just the way politics will be in 2016

    lastly traditional marriage is in no danger by equal rights, its a made up subjective thing, it wont be impacted at all

    next "the obama administration forcing it"? It doesnt get any dumber than that.

    good lord
    the war is over but its entertaining seeing the last desperate attempts of bigotry, it shows peoples true colors

    No, that just means that gays won't vote for him, but then again, Cruz doesn't expect to get any gays to swing his way, anyway. No loss.

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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They can defend state rights, but the States are held to the Constitution as is the federal government. Government cannot discriminate. The marriage license is government issued and recognized contract. That's pretty much the end of it.
    100% correct..
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    States do have the right to regulate marriage, nobody is contesting that.

    However, state actions are still bound by the constitution. For example, a state cannot issue a blanket firearm ban as that would violate the second amendment. Similarly, the state cannot define marriage as between a man and a woman because this violates the 14th amendment, or so says the constitutional challenge that SCOTUS will hear this June.

    So, the only real question at hand is whether or not same sex marriage bans violate the 14th amendment. This isn't a "federal government versus state government" issue.
    States do have the ability to apply local regulations to gun ownership, as the licensing laws in New York. I'm not claiming that the Feds can't do anything they want, certainly they can and they prove that daily. I am saying that they are exceeding the constitutional limits, not only in marriage but in many other areas of governance.

    In addition, It's my opinion that SCOTUS shouldn't have standing in the upcoming challenge. My opinion won't stop them but I believe that the only way the Federal government should be involved is by amendment.
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    Re: Cruz introduces bill defending states' rights on marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    No, that just means that gays won't vote for him, but then again, Cruz doesn't expect to get any gays to swing his way, anyway. No loss.
    it means many more people than gays wont vote for him, it means many people that support equal rights and the Constitution wont vote for him

    but i agree, him making sure he wont be president is no loss
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