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Scott Walker side steps foreign policy questions on UK trip

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Risky Thicket said:
Excellent! So you agree then that it was not at all off base to put a similar question to Scott Walker in the UK?
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There is the double standard in that Democrats who are Christian get the benefit of the doubt and are rarely, if ever, subjected to "gotcha" questions like this.
 
iguanaman said:
A man running for public office should not be unable to think. I would hope any intelligent person would feel such a handicap as this would make him unfit for office regardless of what they thought of his political beliefs.
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And we see the left's intolerance for people who beliefs are even slightly different than their own on display right here.

So what part of presidential duties makes anyone who has doubts about the theory of evolution or other spiritual beliefs incapable of discharging? Anything at all?

I'd expect a president, or any elected official for that matter, to lead, to organize, to hold people accountable, to grasp the issues and boil them down, to make the hard choices, and to effectively communicate the issues and reasoning behind the decisions effectively. I see none of that encumbered here.

Why is it that you do?
 
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iguanaman said:
And I would say "Do you believe humans and apes are close relatives that evolved from a common ancestor?"
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Im not asking about your recent family get-togethers...I'm asking a very straightforward question. Is Obamas expressed belief in God and the Creation as essentially and fundamentally expressed in the bible subject to ridicule? Does it make him 'unscientific'? Does his expressed Christian belief necessitate that he NOT believe in science?
 
eohrnberger said:
And we see the left's intolerance for people who beliefs are even slightly different than their own on display right here.

So what part of presidential duties makes anyone who has doubts about the theory of evolution or other spiritual beliefs incapable of discharging? Anything at all?

I'd expect a president, or any elected official for that matter, to lead, to organize, to hold people accountable, to grasp the issues and boil them down, to make the hard choices, and to effectively communicate the issues and reasoning behind the decisions effectively. I see none of that encumbered here.

Why is it that you do?
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Because if you believe that God "poofed" us here as humans and then made the animals and plants for our use it taints every aspect of your world view in a distorted and false way. You at least need to be able to grasp the proven fact that the human race is an animal that evolved here on Earth from lower forms and is closely related to apes if you are to have a chance at reasoning the right decisions on complex issues affecting all of us. We don't want the answer to our problems to be "its out of our hands, let God take care of it". As Gov. Perry has been known to do on occasion.
 
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VanceMack said:
Nice dodge. Were Obamas resposes 'unscientific'? Does he not believe in science?
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No dodge. In fact when I was Christian that would have pretty much been my answer. I could never jump into the whole biblical inerrancy thing. Probably most Christians don't. I'm pleased to hear that Obama answered the question as best he could. He was/is struggling with his own belief in a logical answer that isn't, "yes, everything in the bible is true, people lived with dinosaurs, the earth is 6,000 years old, and God got another man's wife pregnant".

In addition, Obama was experiencing relentless accusations from crazy people demanding that he admit that he was a Muslim.

No matter, as I said in a previous post I didn't vote for Obama. I didn't and don't hang on every possible thing he may have uttered to prove that he is a horrible person. There are thus many things Obama has said of which I am unaware.

I agree it was ABSOLUTELY off base to pose the questions they did to Walker while he was there on a commerce trip. Obama was at a candidate forum. Walker was at a business meeting. Walker was not there representing a church, nor was he there representing the State Department.
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Fine. The Brits certainly felt that the question was not off base judging from their reported response to his answers. A hell of a lot of Americans likely agree. Once again, it means nothing to me personally. I have many reasons for not supporting Walker, his inability to handle obvious questions in London mean nothing to me.

What would your response have been had Walker said "I think the president has been horribly inept and wishy washy with regard to his 6 years of Foreign Policy. I think his inaction and often cowardice strengthens our enemies and I believe his supporters also further embolden our enemies."?
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I have no idea.

Be honest....you would have **** yourself in your rush to post a thread condemning a state governor for disparaging the leader of the country on a global stage.
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I have no idea and neither do you.
 
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VanceMack said:
Im not asking about your recent family get-togethers...I'm asking a very straightforward question. Is Obamas expressed belief in God and the Creation as essentially and fundamentally expressed in the bible subject to ridicule? Does it make him 'unscientific'? Does his expressed Christian belief necessitate that he NOT believe in science?
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Obama believes in evolution so I don't have a clue what you mean. I you want to talk about belief in God then start another thread.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
No dodge. In fact when I was Christian that would have pretty much been my answer. I could never jump into the whole biblical inerrancy thing. Probably most Christians don't. I'm pleased to hear that Obama answered the question as best he could. He was/is struggling with his own belief in a logical answer that isn't, "yes, everything in the bible is true, people lived with dinosaurs, the earth is 6,000 years old, and God got another man's wife pregnant".

In addition, Obama was experiencing relentless accusations from crazy people demanding that he admit that he was a Muslim.

No matter, as I said in a previous post I didn't vote for Obama. I didn't and don't hang on every possible thing he may have uttered to prove that he is a horrible person. There are thus many things Obama has said of which I am unaware.



Fine. The Brits certainly felt that the question was not off base judging from their reported response to his answers. A hell of a lot of Americans likely agree. Once again, it means nothing to me personally. I have many reasons for not supporting Walker, his inability to handle obvious questions in London mean nothing to me.



I have no idea.



I have no idea and neither do you.
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Thats the longest way possible you could have gone to avoid saying Yes...because he is Christian and believes in the Bible and creation he does not believe in science or No...he can still believe in the Bible, God, Creation, and science.
 
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iguanaman said:
Obama believes in evolution so I don't have a clue what you mean.
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:lamo

You RESPONDED to a post with his exact words in it. So...again...Yes...because he is Christian and believes in the Bible and creation he does not believe in science or No...he can still believe in the Bible, God, Creation, and science?
 
MrVicchio said:
It wasnt a personal attack, it was an observation. If Walker hasnt done much why was all the energy wasted trying to vote him down.
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Because he hasn't accomplished much.


If he hasnt done much, why all the wailing and gnashing of teeth?
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Who?

Walkers reforms have saved school districts money and improved the economy in Wisconsin.
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The jury is still out. And if he did how much and at what cost?

If you cannot handle discussion that disagrees with you perhaps this isnt the right venue for you.
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VanceMack said:
Thats the longest way possible you could have gone to avoid saying Yes...because he is Christian and believes in the Bible and creation he does not believe in science or No...he can still believe in the Bible, God, Creation, and science.
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Not really. Either you believe that everything in the bible is true or you don't. Most people don't believe everything in the bible is true. Science disproves much of what is in the bible.

Now before we go any further. I will not continue in your obvious effort to derail the thread. If you would like to continue your questioning by all means start a thread and invite me. I'll be more than happy to continue, but I won't participate in yet another attempt to derail a thread.
 
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VanceMack said:
:lamo

You RESPONDED to a post with his exact words in it. So...again...Yes...because he is Christian and believes in the Bible and creation he does not believe in science or No...he can still believe in the Bible, God, Creation, and science?
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If you believe that evolution proves there is no God that is your opinion. Many seem to find evolution compatible with belief in God. It is only the weak minded that cannot make the leap I'm afraid.


[QUOTE]In a speech given at a Pontifical Academy of Sciences ceremony unveiling a bust of his predecessor, Pope-emeritus Benedict XVI, Pope Francis declared his full-fledged support of evolution as the scientifically correct explanation of the origin of man — and the universe.
“Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation,” Pope Francis argued at the Academicians’ plenary meeting titled “Evolving Concepts of Nature,” which took place October 24-28. “The scientist must [nevertheless] be moved by a trust in the idea that nature hides, within her evolutionary mechanisms, potentialities that it is the task of intellect and freedom to discover and actuate, in order to achieve the [kind of] development that is in the design of the Creator.”

Pope Francis made his staunch support of Darwinian evolution over the Genesis account of creation very clear, backing the Roman Catholic Church’s long-established endorsement of the controversial theory.[/QUOTE]

http://www.onenewsnow.com/church/2014/11/03/pope-backs-evolution-vatican-calls-creation-%E2%80%98blasphemous%E2%80%99#.VN0VjGd0zb0
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Because he hasn't accomplished much.
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Perhaps the following are for you, not much. For those whose lives have improved would beg to differ. I for one, believe he's accomplished quite a bit of good things as Governor.
Walker’s most impressive achievements include transforming Doyle’s $3.6 billion deficit into a $911 million surplus. Walker did this without hiking taxes, as Doyle did. Instead, Walker cut levies by $2.2 billion. This helped stimulate Wisconsin’s economy, lower the unemployment rate on his watch from 7.7 percent to 5.5 percent, and increase per capita income from $38,755 to $43,149. No wonder the share of Wisconsin employers who believe the state is on the right track has soared from 9 percent to 95 percent.
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You are of course, free to disagree with the above information, by all means please provide some information to counter or illuminate your, ehm position.




Risky Thicket said:
Who?
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Risky Thicket said:
The jury is still out. And if he did how much and at what cost?
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http://eagnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/First-Years-of-Freedom-report.pdf
Scott Walker says union reform law that brought massive protests has saved taxpayers $3 billion | PolitiFact Wisconsin - $3billion
Walker says school districts statewide saved $200 million in health insurance costs just in 2011-’12, the first year after Act 10. That calculation comes from the nonpartisan Wisconsin Taxpayers Alliance.

Dale Knapp, the group’s research director, told us the figure is conservative.

Meanwhile, Walker says state government has saved $482 million on health insurance savings as a result of the higher employee premium contributions and changes made to health coverage -- $264 million for 2012 and 2013, plus $218 million for 2014 and 2015. He cited figures the State Budget Office uses to help create the state budget.

The $200 million in school district health insurance savings plus the $482 million in state savings equals $682 million in health savings. Added to the $2.35 billion in pension savings makes $3.03 billion in total savings.

The figures don’t take into account health insurance savings seen by municipalities, nor health savings seen by school districts after the first year of Act 10, so the actual number would be higher. Knapp said he’s not aware of any savings calculations for municipalities.

Moreover, there is anecdotal evidence of other savings throughout the state.

For example, a Milwaukee Public Schools actuarial report in 2012 said Act 10 enabled the school district to shave $1 billion from its long-term benefit obligations to retirees. MPS used the law to raise eligibility requirements for retirement benefits other than pension and changed the design of health care plans.
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See, I've been watching Walkers moves, after all the "Sky is falling" from the union folks, here was a test of what would happen. So far, I fail to see the down side, further more there is a lot of accomplishment, of course it could all be just personal opinion and I have my facts wrong... I don't think so though.
 
jpn said:
Scott Walker side steps foreign policy questions on UK trip - CSMonitor.com

The British audience groaned and also laughed at Walker. The moderator says "Oh REALLY??? ANY British politician, right or left, would laugh and say 'yes of course evolution is true.'"

Thanks, Scott, for demonstrating to the world how backward and superstitious one of America's two great political parties are. :3oops:
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Firstly, Scott Walker's refusal to answer such an innocuous questions reveals just what a milquetoast he is. Secondly, either he is a believer in Darwin's Theory of Evolution or he does not. The fact that he was afraid to answer such a harmless question from the media says loud and clear he is not a leader in the true sense of the word and certainly should never be president of the most powerful nation, the USA.

Scott Walker is a protégé of the multi-BILLIONAIRE Koch brothers, as are Christie, and Jindal, who are trying to manipulate American policy by selecting "YES" men who are ultra-ambitious for political power and wealth. Therefore, in Walker's desire to get the US nomination for President he is walking a tightrope, refusing to open his mouth for fear of saying the wrong thing that will make him look the fool. He saw what happened to Bobby Jindal, the big mouth governor from Alabama, Chris Christie, governor of New Jersey, and lastly, in 2012, Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts. It's not that these governors do not know the answer to these questions..... they are afraid if it comes out sounding wrong in their visit to the UK they will be ridiculed back home and end up looking like a buffoon. Therein lie the problem, fear of sounding dumb...fear of displeasing their sponsors and losing their chance at the Nomination for president of the US.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Not really. Either you believe that everything in the bible is true or you don't. Most people don't believe everything in the bible is true. Science disproves much of what is in the bible.

Now before we go any further. I will not continue in your obvious effort to derail the thread. If you would like to continue your questioning by all means start a thread and invite me. I'll be more than happy to continue, but I won't participate in yet another attempt to derail a thread.
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Horse****.This is absolutely not even a LITTLE bit of a derailment of the thread. The thread presents ridicule of Walker, a potential candidate for president, for a belief system that is described as unscientific. His belief system mirrors the current commander in chiefs, therefore...the president ALSO is___________. Or Walker is NOT _________________.
 
MrVicchio said:
Perhaps the following are for you, not much. For those whose lives have improved would beg to differ. I for one, believe he's accomplished quite a bit of good things as Governor.

View attachment 67180402http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/391760/scott-walkers-sterling-record-limited-government-deroy-murdock
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http://eagnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/First-Years-of-Freedom-report.pdf
Scott Walker says union reform law that brought massive protests has saved taxpayers $3 billion | PolitiFact Wisconsin - $3billion


See, I've been watching Walkers moves, after all the "Sky is falling" from the union folks, here was a test of what would happen. So far, I fail to see the down side, further more there is a lot of accomplishment, of course it could all be just personal opinion and I have my facts wrong... I don't think so though.
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LOL what you call "savings" are nothing but pay cuts for teachers. Is that the miracle? That giving less to teachers saves us money? Wow..
 
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iguanaman said:
If you believe that evolution proves there is no God that is your opinion. Many seem to find evolution compatible with belief in God. It is only the weak minded that cannot make the leap I'm afraid.


[QUOTE]In a speech given at a Pontifical Academy of Sciences ceremony unveiling a bust of his predecessor, Pope-emeritus Benedict XVI, Pope Francis declared his full-fledged support of evolution as the scientifically correct explanation of the origin of man — and the universe.
“Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation,” Pope Francis argued at the Academicians’ plenary meeting titled “Evolving Concepts of Nature,” which took place October 24-28. “The scientist must [nevertheless] be moved by a trust in the idea that nature hides, within her evolutionary mechanisms, potentialities that it is the task of intellect and freedom to discover and actuate, in order to achieve the [kind of] development that is in the design of the Creator.”

Pope Francis made his staunch support of Darwinian evolution over the Genesis account of creation very clear, backing the Roman Catholic Church’s long-established endorsement of the controversial theory.
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Pope backs evolution, Vatican calls creation[/QUOTE]

Wow...it sure is hard for you to simply admit that Scott Walker can maintain a Christian belief and still believe in 'science'.

:lamo
 
Atiya said:
Firstly, Scott Walker's refusal to answer such an innocuous questions reveals just what a milquetoast he is. Secondly, either he is a believer in Darwin's Theory of Evolution or he does not. The fact that he was afraid to answer such a harmless question from the media says loud and clear he is not a leader in the true sense of the word and certainly should never be president of the most powerful nation, the USA.

Scott Walker is a protégé of the multi-BILLIONAIRE Koch brothers, as are Christie, and Jindal, who are trying to manipulate American policy by selecting "YES" men who are ultra-ambitious for political power and wealth. Therefore, in Walker's desire to get the US nomination for President he is walking a tightrope, refusing to open his mouth for fear of saying the wrong thing that will make him look the fool. He saw what happened to Bobby Jindal, the big mouth governor from Alabama, Chris Christie, governor of New Jersey, and lastly, in 2012, Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts. It's not that these governors do not know the answer to these questions..... they are afraid if it comes out sounding wrong in their visit to the UK they will be ridiculed back home and end up looking like a buffoon. Therein lie the problem, fear of sounding dumb...fear of displeasing their sponsors and losing their chance at the Nomination for president of the US.
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Ried's got you salivating when the bells rung don't he?
 
iguanaman said:
LOL what you call "savings" are nothing but pay cuts for teachers. Is that the miracle? That giving less to teachers saves us money? Wow..
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If that's what you wish to take away from this, be my guest.
 
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VanceMack said:
Pope backs evolution, Vatican calls creation
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Wow...it sure is hard for you to simply admit that Scott Walker can maintain a Christian belief and still believe in 'science'.

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Except that wasn't the question he was asked. He was asked if he believes in evolution and he could not say YES. The Pope can but not him. What does that say about him? Either he is dim witted or a religious zealot, nether of which are suitable for the POTUS.
 
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Moot said:
The US would lose a lot of credibility both foreign and domestic if it elected someone who doesn't believe in science.


I think Walker just kissed his chance for the nomination, goodbye.
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In my personal opinion, Scott Walker doesn't have any chance of becoming president of the US. He might appeal to the ultra-rightwing Republicans but in 2016 when more mainstream Americans cast their vote he would not stand a snow ball's chance in hell. Walker is against the Unions and it was through the Unions that the middle class began to grow and prosper. Scott Walker is currently the governor of Wisconsin where many union members tried their best to repeal his governorship; by hook and crook, manipulating the votes, Walker retained his office. I am not in Wisconsin, but what I've read of this crook, there is no way he has a chance of becoming president of the US.
 
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iguanaman said:
Wow...it sure is hard for you to simply admit that Scott Walker can maintain a Christian belief and still believe in 'science'.

:lamo
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Except that wasn't the question he was asked. He was asked if he believes in evolution and he could not say YES. The Pope can but not him. What does that say about him? Either he is dim witted or a religious zealot, nether of which are suitable for the POTUS.[/QUOTE]

He chose not to get into a question and answer period with the press while addressing an audience for commerce. Period. But give people that hate republicans beyond reason...any excuse will do.
 
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Atiya said:
In my personal opinion, Scott Walker doesn't have any chance of becoming president of the US. He might appeal to the ultra-rightwing Republicans but in 2016 when more mainstream Americans cast their vote he would not stand a snow ball's chance in hell. Walker is against the Unions and it was through the Unions that the middle class began to grow and prosper. Scott Walker is currently the governor of Wisconsin where many union members tried their best to repeal his governorship; by hook and crook, manipulating the votes, Walker retained his office. I am not in Wisconsin, but what I've read of this crook, there is no way he has a chance of becoming president of the US.
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Union membership collapses when it doesn't have state laws enforcing closed shops... why is that?
 
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Atiya said:
In my personal opinion, Scott Walker doesn't have any chance of becoming president of the US. He might appeal to the ultra-rightwing Republicans but in 2016 when more mainstream Americans cast their vote he would not stand a snow ball's chance in hell. Walker is against the Unions and it was through the Unions that the middle class began to grow and prosper. Scott Walker is currently the governor of Wisconsin where many union members tried their best to repeal his governorship; by hook and crook, manipulating the votes, Walker retained his office. I am not in Wisconsin, but what I've read of this crook, there is no way he has a chance of becoming president of the US.
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Walker has won 3 elections in 4 years and none of them were all that close.

The facts do not at all align with your hyper partisan drivel. He's Governor of Wisconsin because the people of Wisconsin want it that way.
 
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NIMBY said:
Sen. Rubio is not a rabid foaming in the mouth liberal.
Did you see his comment at the end of the article?
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A presidential candidate attacking another presidential candidate over his foreign policy experience? Say it ain't so.




If Walker gets the nomination, one of the most divisive issues will be his ending of collective bargaining for public unions.
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Did he ban unions or did he ban closed shops?

I recognize your anti-union feelings and can only wonder how you would feel if you had one of those jobs .
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I am not anti-union.What I am is anti-closed shops. I fully support your right to join a union and I fully support your right to not have to join a union and to not pay dues to a union you are not part of.
 
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