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    Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

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    On his Facebook page, he states his political views as "I don't care about parties, just each individual and the rights of such in the constitution! Some call me a gun-toting liberal, others call me an open-minded conservative. I don't fall into any category, as I do not follow any decision blindly for a group."

    An American. No side can blame the other.

    Why didnt the media cover this story? Why did it take them 8 hours?

    An " open minded Conservative " thats a fan of Maddow ?

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    Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

    This thread is a perfect example of how packaging a story is much more important than the story itself. The story is a tragedy of how a maniac killed several people over something mundane and ridiculous, but that just wasnt "sexy" enough. So instead the story is written up essentially as "Savage atheist goes on murder rampage!!!!" and, well, a full day later and everybody is still bitching about atheism, religion and hate crimes.

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    Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

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    Soviet Union is hardly alone. China, North Korea, Cambodia... Christianity is still a capital crime in North Korea. Athiesm is no less violent than the worlds' religions, and if anything, has the highest body counts.
    They are not using atheism as the reason for killing people, but rather the lack of complete loyalty to the government. There is a difference, whether you wish to recognize it or not. Nothing about being an atheist requires killing anyone since there are no commandments, edicts, orders, sins, anything of the sort from atheism. There is only people who if they had religious beliefs, would almost certainly be just as hateful and fervent in those religious beliefs because it is their anger issues and mental health issues, not someone trying to convince them it is the way to a better afterlife, that leads to atheist killing people when it happens. While this is also true for many, many religious people, there are some religious beliefs that encourage such things, including the Muslims belief that if they die a martyr they will be rewarded with riches in the afterlife by Allah and the Bible's edicts to kill certain people, such as witches and homosexuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are not using atheism as the reason for killing people, but rather the lack of complete loyalty to the government. There is a difference, whether you wish to recognize it or not
    When that is because the government is explicitly atheist, no, there isn't. If the Vatican began to execute non-Catholics, no one would say "well it's just because they aren't completely dedicated to following the Pope in all matters, not because they aren't Catholic", because that would be just as silly as the argument you just made.

    Nothing about being an atheist requires killing anyone since there are no commandments, edicts, orders, sins, anything of the sort from atheism.
    sure. But that is not the question, which was, do people kill for atheism. Well, yes, they do. Whether or not atheism as a belief system easily lends itself to that is interesting, but not really material.

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    Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This thread is a perfect example of how packaging a story is much more important than the story itself. The story is a tragedy of how a maniac killed several people over something mundane and ridiculous, but that just wasnt "sexy" enough. So instead the story is written up essentially as "Savage atheist goes on murder rampage!!!!" and, well, a full day later and everybody is still bitching about atheism, religion and hate crimes.
    well, no. People in the thread went with the "clearly this is the result of FOX news and the conservative movement!" argument, and the "no, he's a left-wing atheist" bit was in response to that.

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    Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    When that is because the government is explicitly atheist, no, there isn't. If the Vatican began to execute non-Catholics, no one would say "well it's just because they aren't completely dedicated to following the Pope in all matters, not because they aren't Catholic", because that would be just as silly as the argument you just made.

    sure. But that is not the question, which was, do people kill for atheism. Well, yes, they do. Whether or not atheism as a belief system easily lends itself to that is interesting, but not really material.
    The reasoning behind why people are being killed is absolutely important in this discussion. That is what is separating the subjects. Not all theocracies kill people, although if they are a theocracy, they are almost certainly oppressing other people in some way through the laws. But they are theocracies because they place the laws of their religion as the laws of the land and require everyone who lives there to abide by their religious edicts. Atheism does not have any edicts to it. There are no rules to being an atheist.
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    Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The reasoning behind why people are being killed is absolutely important in this discussion. That is what is separating the subjects. Not all theocracies kill people, although if they are a theocracy, they are almost certainly oppressing other people in some way through the laws. But they are theocracies because they place the laws of their religion as the laws of the land and require everyone who lives there to abide by their religious edicts. Atheism does not have any edicts to it. There are no rules to being an atheist.
    you may say that there are no inherent requirements in Atheism to spread your belief (I would disagree, but it's a valid position), but that's not the question. The question was were there acts of violence carried out in the name of atheism. In which case the answer is "yes, lots of them". When you are enforcing the state's atheistic view on the populace, it is the same as enforcing state's Protestant, Catholic, Islamic, or [fill in blank] view on the populace. The edict "Thou Shalt Be An Atheist Or Else" is no different from a coercion-measurement point of view than the edicts that Thou Shalt Be A Muslim Or Else or Thou Shalt Be A Lutheran Or Else.

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    Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you may say that there are no inherent requirements in Atheism to spread your belief (I would disagree, but it's a valid position), but that's not the question. The question was were there acts of violence carried out in the name of atheism. In which case the answer is "yes, lots of them". When you are enforcing the state's atheistic view on the populace, it is the same as enforcing state's Protestant, Catholic, Islamic, or [fill in blank] view on the populace. The edict "Thou Shalt Be An Atheist Or Else" is no different from a coercion-measurement point of view than the edicts that Thou Shalt Be A Muslim Or Else or Thou Shalt Be A Lutheran Or Else.
    There are very few in the name of atheism.
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    Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are very few in the name of atheism.
    One could argue that the imposition of Communism was an atheist movement of sorts, and thus is responsible for millions of deaths.
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    Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    One could argue that the imposition of Communism was an atheist movement of sorts, and thus is responsible for millions of deaths.
    And that person would be wrong. Many communists countries don't care if people have beliefs, plus their motivation to kill opposers is not based on tenets of atheism, because there are none, but political motivations for power and maintaining that power.
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