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    Re: Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Yes.
    And because the reasoning behind the detention from its start was lacking in "reasonableness", the entirety of the situation is thrown out in the eyes of the court.


    What do you think of the no badge contact to arrest of this officer?>
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    Re: Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What do you think of the no badge contact to arrest of this officer?>
    ABC Officers in NC typically do not wear a traditional uniform.

    However, in my experience, they wear a badge on a chain around their neck that identifies them as ABC Law Enforcement (Or North Carolina ALE... the state's centrally run version).

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    Re: Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store - Fayetteville Observer: Local News



    Alright, this was unconstitutional... now what? Can we get to the bottom of why a guy dressed in normal clothes can arrest you just by saying he is a cop? If he had punched this guy out, would he have been defending himself or assaulting an officer? Is saying that he's an officer all it takes for someone to simply do as he says?
    It really depends on the State law - if a cop is only required to identify themselves (whether they are ABC or other) without a badge or paper identification requirements - then there is no issue. Normally, uniformed cops must provide their badge number and name, non-uniformed cops must provide a badge number and ID with name as part of the law, but I cannot find anything beyond a policy in NY that states police must carry police identification on them and are required to show that identification. A policy does not = the law.

    Not sure what the NC law states or what their "policy" states regarding non-uniformed police and requirements to identify.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It really depends on the State law - if a cop is only required to identify themselves (whether they are ABC or other) without a badge or paper identification requirements - then there is no issue. Normally, uniformed cops must provide their badge number and name, non-uniformed cops must provide a badge number and ID with name as part of the law, but I cannot find anything beyond a policy in NY that states police must carry police identification on them and are required to show that identification. A policy does not = the law.
    This happened in NC. The person arrested is from NY.
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    Re: Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This happened in NC. The person arrested is from NY.
    Same applies to NC.... I couldn't find a law that covers it in NC either.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

    I watched the video, someone in the dialog sounded like they said he purchased the can of Tea
    in the liquor store, if so Trespass would have been off the table.
    Just an all around bad arrest.

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    Re: Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    ABC Officers in NC typically do not wear a traditional uniform.

    However, in my experience, they wear a badge on a chain around their neck that identifies them as ABC Law Enforcement (Or North Carolina ALE... the state's centrally run version).

    YOu've given me your knowledge on the subject, I asked for your opinion on this guys actions.

    (note he reached for his badge as well, he just didn't have it)



    What do you think of the no badge contact to arrest of this officer?>



    basically what would you think if once attacked by a person CLAIMING to be a police officer turns around and kills this unkown unbadged person because they thought he was lying, would you think it justifiable homicide?
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    Re: Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    YOu've given me your knowledge on the subject, I asked for your opinion on this guys actions.

    (note he reached for his badge as well, he just didn't have it)



    What do you think of the no badge contact to arrest of this officer?>



    basically what would you think if once attacked by a person CLAIMING to be a police officer turns around and kills this unkown unbadged person because they thought he was lying, would you think it justifiable homicide?
    I wouldn't say anyone was "attacked" in a manner resulting in the use of deadly force.

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    Re: Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I wouldn't say anyone was "attacked" in a manner resulting in the use of deadly force.

    Really?

    at about 2:23 I would have rolled that cop and either choked him out or broke his arm.

    If I was armed, I would have drawn on him. If he continued I would shoot him.

    at this point it was an assault by an unkown persons claiming to be a cop but with no identification or badge shown.



    btw Would you recommend a woman submit to a man claiming to be a cop, but no badge in a dark parking lot to be cuffed?
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    Re: Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Really?

    at about 2:23 I would have rolled that cop and either choked him out or broke his arm.

    If I was armed, I would have drawn on him. If he continued I would shoot him.

    at this point it was an assault by an unkown persons claiming to be a cop but with no identification or badge shown.



    btw Would you recommend a woman submit to a man claiming to be a cop, but no badge in a dark parking lot to be cuffed?
    No.

    We can continue to snowball this into something it isn't, or we can review the fact that nearly nobody is going to state the judge was wrong in this case... or that the officer was right, and move on.

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