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    Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Good God what is this country coming to. These idiots don't pay parking and traffic tickets until they owe hundreds of dollars and then they squeal like stuck pigs when they get arrested saying they are poor and can't pay. Simple answer is don't park illegally and don't commit traffic violations. If they win this suit it means if you are poor you are above the law and can commit any minor offense you want without consequence. This is what generations on welfare does to people, they feel entitled.


    "In a new challenge to police practices in Ferguson, Mo., a group of civil rights lawyers is suing the city over the way people are jailed when they fail to pay fines for traffic tickets and other minor offenses.

    The lawsuit, filed Sunday night on the eve of the six-month anniversary of the police shooting of Michael Brown, alleges that the city violates the Constitution by jailing people without adequately considering whether they were indigent and, as a result, unable to pay.

    The suit is filed on behalf of 11 plaintiffs who say they were too poor to pay but were then jailed — sometimes for two weeks or more."

    AND DOES ANYONE FEEL SORRY FOR THIS PERSON? Ever hear of personal responsibility????


    "Just over a year ago, Tonya DeBerry was driving her 4-year-old grandson in her daughter-in-law's car. A St. Louis County police officer saw that the license plates were expired and pulled her over. He ran a background check and saw an arrest warrant for multiple unpaid traffic tickets in Ferguson. Among those old violations were tickets for driving with a suspended license — lost for earlier unpaid tickets — and driving with no registration, insurance or proof of inspection.

    DeBerry was arrested and handcuffed in front of her grandson. After someone came to pick up the boy, she was taken to jail.

    "Just traffic tickets. No criminal act. Nothing," says DeBerry, 52, who doesn't work and depends on a disability check and food stamps. "If you have the money, you would never go through that type of situation. If you don't have the money, it's jail, jail."

    Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons' : Code Switch : NPR

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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Personal responsibility isn't the point. Debtor's prisons are unconstitutional. It's my understanding that it violates the 14th amendment.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Personal responsibility isn't the point. Debtor's prisons are unconstitutional. It's my understanding that it violates the 14th amendment.
    Hmm... What, exactly, should we do with the folks that decide to drive without a license, registration or insurance? Is it OK for folks to do as they please so long as they have no "extra" money to pay fines?
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hmm... What, exactly, should we do with the folks that decide to drive without a license, registration or insurance? Is it OK for folks to do as they please so long as they have no "extra" money to pay fines?
    Penalize them for sure. Some form of community service to pay off their debt, but not prison. Prison is no place for a victimless crime.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Personal responsibility isn't the point. Debtor's prisons are unconstitutional. It's my understanding that it violates the 14th amendment.
    This is not the same as debtors prison. Being jailed for a couple weeks for driving without a license or insurance isn't unreasonable, if paying the fine isn't an option. It's not like it's unpaid MasterCard bills.
    Hell, if it's enough thousands I might choose a couple weeks in the hoosegow! Long as I can have a radio and a box of books, a week or two might be quality time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    This is not the same as debtors prison. Being jailed for a couple weeks for driving without a license or insurance isn't unreasonable, if paying the fine isn't an option. It's not like it's unpaid MasterCard bills.
    Hell, if it's enough thousands I might choose a couple weeks in the hoosegow! Long as I can have a radio and a box of books, a week or two might be quality time.
    Any kind of incarceration for a victimless crime is absolutely unreasonable.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorse View Post
    Good God what is this country coming to. These idiots don't pay parking and traffic tickets until they owe hundreds of dollars and then they squeal like stuck pigs when they get arrested saying they are poor and can't pay. Simple answer is don't park illegally and don't commit traffic violations. If they win this suit it means if you are poor you are above the law and can commit any minor offense you want without consequence. This is what generations on welfare does to people, they feel entitled.


    "In a new challenge to police practices in Ferguson, Mo., a group of civil rights lawyers is suing the city over the way people are jailed when they fail to pay fines for traffic tickets and other minor offenses.

    The lawsuit, filed Sunday night on the eve of the six-month anniversary of the police shooting of Michael Brown, alleges that the city violates the Constitution by jailing people without adequately considering whether they were indigent and, as a result, unable to pay.

    The suit is filed on behalf of 11 plaintiffs who say they were too poor to pay but were then jailed — sometimes for two weeks or more."

    AND DOES ANYONE FEEL SORRY FOR THIS PERSON? Ever hear of personal responsibility????


    "Just over a year ago, Tonya DeBerry was driving her 4-year-old grandson in her daughter-in-law's car. A St. Louis County police officer saw that the license plates were expired and pulled her over. He ran a background check and saw an arrest warrant for multiple unpaid traffic tickets in Ferguson. Among those old violations were tickets for driving with a suspended license — lost for earlier unpaid tickets — and driving with no registration, insurance or proof of inspection.

    DeBerry was arrested and handcuffed in front of her grandson. After someone came to pick up the boy, she was taken to jail.

    "Just traffic tickets. No criminal act. Nothing," says DeBerry, 52, who doesn't work and depends on a disability check and food stamps. "If you have the money, you would never go through that type of situation. If you don't have the money, it's jail, jail."

    Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons' : Code Switch : NPR
    They're too poor to pay parking tickets? There's an easy way to fix it. Don't park where you aren't supposed to park.

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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Penalize them for sure. Some form of community service to pay off their debt, but not prison. Prison is no place for a victimless crime.
    What form of community service could be imposed on a "disabled" person with no driver's license and how would they get there? I would start by taking the car(s) and any other assets that could be sold and then demand a payment plan funded out of the disability check.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Any kind of incarceration for a victimless crime is absolutely unreasonable.
    You're right, I was maybe a bit too flippant there.
    I know what you're saying but be careful who you bring that 'victimless' qualifier to- there a lot here who'll bog you down in semantics 'till your eyes glaze over.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What form of community service could be imposed on a "disabled" person with no driver's license and how would they get there? I would start by taking the car(s) and any other assets that could be sold and then demand a payment plan funded out of the disability check.
    Do you have the ankle bracelet- house arrest in the US?
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