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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I don't think you get the point. Failure to pay these tickets for not having the proper paperwork may be "victimless." But in reality one of these dumbasses could hit someone and then their victim is up **** creek. The point is they failed to have the proper documentation, and that documentation is there to protect people from being victims.
    Again, nothing to do with the OP. If there is a victim, it's a whole different matter. The OP and the article I posted deal solely with the practice of jailing someone strictly because they don't have the means to pay their fines and or fees. You guys are making a completely different argument.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    I can't see how going to jail for refusing to pay for citations can be considered a "debtors jail".

    citations are not debts, they are punitive fines enacted by a court of law, per statute.

    people will be punished for ignoring court orders,and it is rightful that they are... the legitimacy of the entire judicial system relies on people be held to it.

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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Incarcerating them means they won't be able to take care of their children at all.
    Same goes for a guy that sticks up a liquor store. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Incarcerating someone for not being able to pay a fine is the definition of debtor's prison.




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    Driving without insurance means if you injure someone in an accident you leave them twisting in the wind.

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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorse View Post
    Same goes for a guy that sticks up a liquor store. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
    That's different, that crime has a victim.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorse View Post
    Driving without insurance means if you injure someone in an accident you leave them twisting in the wind.
    If you hit someone and don't have insurance you are still responsible for any damage you cause there just isn't an insurance company paying for it.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I agree it isn't victimless they are a threat to the rest of the driving public at large
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    A victimless crime is a phrase used to refer to actions that are by statute, illegal, but which do not directly violate or threaten the rights of any other individual. Piling up fines has no victim.

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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    I don't see this As a civil Rights issue but As a common sense issue. Incarcerating these people costs money and takes up jail space. The logica' thing is to simply seize their assets, including car, phone, etc.

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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    They are being jailed because they can't pay the fine. There are also many being incarcerated because they can't pay the additional court fees.

    As Court Fees Rise, The Poor Are Paying The Price : NPR
    If they can not afford the fines and penalties, how do they afford the car and gas?

    In the quote you gave, how much did he spend on alcohol to get drunk?
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    If they can not afford the fines and penalties, how do they afford the car and gas?

    In the quote you gave, how much did he spend on alcohol to get drunk?
    irrelevant.
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