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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    This thread is a sad reminder that in a welfare society some people tend to feel entitled to their entitlements and they tend to ignore or never develop a sense of personal responsibility. When government takes over large parts of your life, you tend to feel that government is responsible for providing you a comfortable life.

    Taking away someone's freedom is often the only cure for a sense of entitlement with no comprehension of responsibility.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Penalize them for sure. Some form of community service to pay off their debt, but not prison. Prison is no place for a victimless crime.
    That isn't s victimless crime. They run into people, cause damage, and there is no penalty if they don't pay. They don't have insurance. They won't even pay traffic tickets.

    I saw this a lot. People not paying and driving on suspended licenses getting ANOTHER ticket for a car accident and causing problems for those of us who do.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Personal responsibility isn't the point. Debtor's prisons are unconstitutional. It's my understanding that it violates the 14th amendment.
    It isn't debtors prison. failing to pay a parking ticket gets you jail time. multiple failures ups the penalty of the citation. from just a ticket up to a misdemeanor if they are bad enough.
    It is a personal responsibility.

    Driving is a privilege not a right. if you want to drive then you need to obey the rules of the road.
    I think I have gotten 2 tickets since I was 18 in driving. both my fault. I paid the fine and went on with my life.

    what right do they have to break the law and not have to pay the fine for doing it?
    how hard is it to not get a parking ticket or multiple parking tickets?

    Driving on suspended licenses, with no insurance is a danger to other people and there is a reason that their license has been suspended.
    you are not allowed to drive at all without insurance. why? because you endanger other people with your carelessness.

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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    That isn't s victimless crime. They run into people, cause damage, and there is no penalty if they don't pay. They don't have insurance. They won't even pay traffic tickets.

    I saw this a lot. People not paying and driving on suspended licenses getting ANOTHER ticket for a car accident and causing problems for those of us who do.
    Many of these people are jailed for failing to pay court fees, and most traffic violations do not involve another person. Hence the term victimless.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm going to assume that you've never been to jail. There isn't any "quality time" about it.

    Besides, why jail someone for stuff like this and cost the taxpayers more money when you can put them on a chain gang for a few days or weeks and SAVE the taxpayers money?
    chain gangs are considered cruel and unusual punishment. it isn't fair that they have to get out there and clean up roads.
    she is supposedly disabled. under the law she is not allowed to do that more so if she is on full disability.

    so since she is on full disability and can't do any of that she can sit and learn her lesson about not being able to park her car correctly.
    or not carrying insurance or driving on a suspended license.

    if she wants to drive then it is her responsibility to ensure she takes car of these things.

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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    That isn't s victimless crime. They run into people, cause damage, and there is no penalty if they don't pay. They don't have insurance. They won't even pay traffic tickets.

    I saw this a lot. People not paying and driving on suspended licenses getting ANOTHER ticket for a car accident and causing problems for those of us who do.
    I agree it isn't victimless they are a threat to the rest of the driving public at large

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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    It isn't debtors prison. failing to pay a parking ticket gets you jail time. multiple failures ups the penalty of the citation. from just a ticket up to a misdemeanor if they are bad enough.
    It is a personal responsibility.
    Incarcerating someone for not being able to pay a fine is the definition of debtor's prison.

    Driving is a privilege not a right. if you want to drive then you need to obey the rules of the road.
    I think I have gotten 2 tickets since I was 18 in driving. both my fault. I paid the fine and went on with my life.

    what right do they have to break the law and not have to pay the fine for doing it?
    how hard is it to not get a parking ticket or multiple parking tickets?

    I'm not saying that they don't have to obey the rules. reading is fun.

    Driving on suspended licenses, with no insurance is a danger to other people and there is a reason that their license has been suspended.
    you are not allowed to drive at all without insurance. why? because you endanger other people with your carelessness.
    Having a license is in no way a measure to one's ability to drive safely. Driving without insurance does not increase the danger factor in driving.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Incarcerating someone for not being able to pay a fine is the definition of debtor's prison.
    no it isn't they are going to prison for violating the law.



    I'm not saying that they don't have to obey the rules. reading is fun.
    evidently since you don't think they should suffer penalties for breaking the law. then breaking the law again.


    Having a license is in no way a measure to one's ability to drive safely. Driving without insurance does not increase the danger factor in driving.
    100% wrong. for if you don't drive safely they take it away from you.

    yes it does because car insurance is not for you it is to protect other people from you.
    driving without insurance means that you don't care what happens when you hit someone else.

    it increases the danger and financial obligation that other people have to pay due to your negligence.

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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Many of these people are jailed for failing to pay court fees, and most traffic violations do not involve another person. Hence the term victimless.
    That doesn't mean all. And you need to consider that they are violating traffic laws. So maybe speeding? Or parking illegally? Those laws are in place for a reason. And when you won't pay your fines for breaking simple laws...you should be punished. Driving is a privilege. Not a right.

    When these people hit someone...they won't be paying for it. These people will cause a massive headache for someone if they get into an accident...which is not a far fetched concept.
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    Re: Civil Rights Attorneys Sue Ferguson Over 'Debtors Prisons'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no it isn't they are going to prison for violating the law.
    The Supreme court disagrees with you.

    evidently since you don't think they should suffer penalties for breaking the law. then breaking the law again.
    I said no such thing. Reading is fundamental, you should try it some time.

    100% wrong. for if you don't drive safely they take it away from you.

    yes it does because car insurance is not for you it is to protect other people from you.
    driving without insurance means that you don't care what happens when you hit someone else.

    it increases the danger and financial obligation that other people have to pay due to your negligence.
    My sister has a license and insurance and she's been in 7 accidents, all of them her fault. All insurance does is guarantee the ability to pay for damages caused by you. Does nothing in determining the level of safety.
    Last edited by azgreg; 02-10-15 at 11:51 AM.
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