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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent claims | Fox News




    Nothing sinister or unhealthy about subjecting your kids to today's indoctrinations at the old schoolhouse, I'm sure.
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    More reasons we love the democrats.

    Put that one on your test.

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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Liberal/Progressives don't need to say anything. They just do it. One small example.

    Who is the most impacted by the massive illegal alien invasion encouraged by Liberal/Progressives? Minorities who have jobs stolen from them. Look at the unemployment rate in Black communities.

    These are the same minorities Liberal/Progressives have been getting on their high horse about claiming they are the only ones trying to help them. Yea right.

    So, Case closed.
    Illegal aliens are encouraged by the Jobs Creators - cheap, disposable labor is good for bidness.

    It's hilarious that immigration has become this hot button issue during a roughly 6 year net DECLINE in the number of illegals in this country. You'd think we were in the middle of the Bush administration or something....

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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well, first, your statement about charities taking the responsibility for helping the poor is not actually the same as saying helping the poor is a waste of money.
    Republican position is it's a waste of taxpayer money to continue to fund those who are poor.

    Second, you won't find many republicans who support the abolition of state care for the needy.
    But you WILL find Republicans who complain helping those who are poor is a waste of money.

    I understand what you're saying. You're saying Republicans don't mind helping those who truly need it but don't want to help those who are lazy. I get it. But the Republican message has long been "it's not the government's job to help".

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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Whether we agree on this or not is irrelevant. Republicans SAY it. It's a position they keep.
    No no...you missed my point. Democrats JUST DO it, then apologize later or justify the ends and ignore the means or claim it's all for the common good. Which is how that OP picture and the blatant question got there in the first place.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

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    Nothing sinister or unhealthy about subjecting your kids to today's indoctrinations at the old schoolhouse, I'm sure.

    # 3 is worse than the others

    only liberals or the left promote reading anything you want?

    the whole test is screwy.....and if this is what our children are subjected to, you wonder why more and more parent home school?
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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Please explain why you think this is common core. Then please demonstrate you have even a modicum of understanding of what common core even is.



    But this quiz seems to be pretty clear it's referring to a preferred sense of governing, and Republicans prefer their government not to spend money on those they feel don't deserve it, which is usually poor people. And I'm not even passing judgment on the rightness or wrongness of such a position (I tend to think there's a lot of people who do deserve help and plenty who don't), but it IS a Republican/conservative position (at least for the last several years especially) that government should cut the amount of money it spends helping those who are poor.

    And not all communists think people who are not equal should die. But the point remains that, as a general rule, politicians within the Republican party think we waste too much money helping those who don't have money.

    This isn't really even a debate. If I felt like it, I'm sure I can find plenty of instances of Republicans whining about SSDI, Obamaphones, subsidies for ACA, etc. The idea Republicans don't generally complain about government spending on the poor is just really not worth entertaining.

    I agree 100%. But what I find more disconcerting is the idea this was presented to a class of 16 year olds...if this quiz is legitimate (and I always have my doubts, given how often these things turn out to be bogus), then the real disservice is such an oversimplification to a class of students who should have the mental maturity to process much deeper thoughts.

    Whether we agree on this or not is irrelevant. Republicans SAY it. It's a position they keep.
    But irrelevant. These are they types of things Republicans SAY. They make this a position.

    I'm sorry, all I heard was "blah blah blah, I'm incapable of disproving the point, so I'm going to continue to engage in red herrings".

    Whether Democrats believe in such a policy for immigrants or not is irrelevant, as they never CLAIM such a position. Republicans do claim the position that our government wastes money on helping the poor.
    Irrelevant?

    Even going by your insanity, doing something, as Democrats have, is far more harmful than talking about it. You sunk your own boat on that salvo Sly.

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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Well... don't you? It certainly sounds like you think that. The things conservatives say and do give the impression that you think that.
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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    But this quiz seems to be pretty clear it's referring to a preferred sense of governing
    I disagree.

    The "Right to read anything you want" isn't really talking about sense of governing. The comment about morality isn't seemingly presented in a way focused on governing. AND, if it was focused on governing, there would be no reasonto highlight that we should provide "government-run" daycares as opposed to simply say "provide daycare". The fact it's making a distinction in one of these things suggests that the quiz is showing a difference between general wide ranging thought, and specific government programs.

    that government should cut the amount of money it spends helping those who are poor.
    There is a drastic different between a "cut" to the amount of moeny it spends on helping those who are poor and a flat out statement of not helping. A cut suggests spending less on a particular effort...that is different than simply NOT making that effort at all.

    And not all communists think people who are not equal should die.
    I agree. The "Anyone who's not equal must die" portion of the thing is rather ridiculous, but isn't really the focus of the thread AND on the scale of relevance to the education of children, a fair and accurate representation of Democrats/Republicans is significantly more important in my view than that of a "fascist" or "communist" since the reality is those (along with moderate) are the two that are primarily going to be impacting their lives.

    But the point remains that, as a general rule, politicians within the Republican party think we waste too much money helping those who don't have money.
    Which again, is an ENTIRELY different suggestion than "we should not help the poor". Stating "We spend too much money helping the poor, and it's a waste" is an entirely different notion than "We should not help the poor, it's a waste".

    And if you want to go with that simplistic notion, from that mindset, it'd probably be best as "We waste too much money trying to help the poor survive instead of trying to help them to stop being poor."

    This isn't really even a debate. If I felt like it, I'm sure I can find plenty of instances of Republicans whining about SSDI, Obamaphones, subsidies for ACA, etc. The idea Republicans don't generally complain about government spending on the poor is just really not worth entertaining.
    Cool, you go right ahead with not entertaining the strawman of your own creation. I really have no care about whether or not you entertain your own imaginary points.

    My point wasn't that Republicans in general want less social safety net programs for the poor than Democrats (something I absolutely agree with), my point was that Republicans in general do not want zero help for the poor (even if we're just talking about help from the government). None of those things you mentioned go against my point.

    (and I always have my doubts, given how often these things turn out to be bogus)
    In the age of Photoshop I agree 100% here.

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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No no...you missed my point. Democrats JUST DO it
    No no, YOU missed the point.

    The point is that Republicans DO take this position verbally. The question, though not really proper, is valid in the sense it is what Republicans publicly say. You BELIEVE Democrats hold such a position, but Democrats do not publicly claim a position.

    Let's put it another way. If one of the questions was "People should not own a gun which is not on file with the government", then it would be something Democrats have said. Then THAT would be a valid quiz statement. But Democrats do NOT publicly claim what you believe they do, so it wouldn't be a valid quiz statement.

    Make sense?
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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    There is not one thing on that test that is not stupid beyond all belief.

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