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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Did you blow a gasket writing that? I never made a political statement about education. I simply said that I know some Republicans that say that teaching brown people is a waste of time. My grandma and others in my family and their super rich conservative friends were having a discussion about it before tee time at the country club. Just a fact.

    What is most interesting is how you took a benign counter argument and showed your true colours though, bringing up those bad black teachers...
    And I know some democrats who hate "East Indians" in fact there's a racist thread about Bobby Jindal right now. So, you have bigots in your family, how does that in any way effects a highly pejorative "poll" suggesting every Republican on the face of the earth believes "helping the poor is a waste of money"

    In fact what we have is a highly questionable anecdote from a Republican hater as the only "evidence".
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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    And I know some democrats who hate "East Indians" in fact there's a racist thread about Bobby Jindal right now. So, you have bigots in your family, how does that in any way effects a highly pejorative "poll" suggesting every Republican on the face of the earth believes "helping the poor is a waste of money"

    In fact what we have is a highly questionable anecdote from a Republican hater as the only "evidence".
    I vote Republican so I have no idea what you are on about... I was simply offering a counter POV. I already stated that the test question was biased.
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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Let's rewind a bit. You made a couple of statements that I pushed back on. I'll quote them:

    "Who is the most impacted by the massive illegal alien invasion encouraged by Liberal/Progressives?"

    I said immigration was encouraged by the jobs creators, and that the net illegal population has gone DOWN since Obama took office, and posted the evidence.

    We'll fast forward to this assertion by you:

    "Do you deny Liberal/Progressives are encouraging illegal aliens to come here, and are providing safe harbor?"

    My response:

    "I don't see anyone encouraging illegal immigration myself, but even if they are, somehow between Reagan's amnesty and Obama, 12 million arrived here, and now that the total is less than 12 million, it's a CRISIS!!! And it doesn't matter why, really. The fact is illegal immigration is less of a problem in 2105 than at any time since Reagan. Besides, Obama has deported more illegals than any POTUS in recent history. But it's still a CRISIS!! Gosh, can't figure out why that might be.....

    BTW, the people you're saying are getting a 'safe harbor' are children. Yeah, that's awful we're treating them humanly."


    And then you point to a report saying apprehensions of children and families with children have increased, and that they haven't left. First of all, you posted no data on removals of children or 'family units.' But second, I made no claims that all illegals had been kicked out, that we'd kicked out all families, or that we'd kicked out all children. What I said was we were treating children humanely. I suppose I was wrong and should have said we're treating children AND family UNITS humanely.

    Great point. Glad we got that settled. Can't believe how loose I am with the facts.....
    LOL. You're spinning so fast, I'm surprise you can keep your hands on the keyboard.

    No, let's not rewind a bit. Let's have you post facts to back your claim. Show data that details the deportations you claimed are being made. Show data that details deportations of the illegal aliens identified in the US Border Patrol report I posted.

    Show data that shows these people have not been given safe harbor in cities throughout the country.

    Again, these claims you make are much like the effort that created the test detailed in the OP. The narrative of "poor people bad" is a Liberal/Progressive taking point. It's not a policy of the GOP. That is an out and out lie. But that doesn't seem to stop Liberal/Progressives from putting up these bogus narratives. You have done it yourself. ProCon.org? A tool of the Progressive Machine, funded by groups like Annnenberg and Drown? And you think they don't have an agenda?

    Let's face it, the only thing settled is how far you will go to carry the meme, and continue the liberal/progressive message.

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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL. You're spinning so fast, I'm surprise you can keep your hands on the keyboard.

    No, let's not rewind a bit. Let's have you post facts to back your claim. Show data that details the deportations you claimed are being made. Show data that details deportations of the illegal aliens identified in the US Border Patrol report I posted.
    I never claimed the children (or families with children) had been deported. I said they were treated humanely. Those are different claims.

    Show data that shows these people have not been given safe harbor in cities throughout the country.
    Again, I didn't claim they were NOT given "safe harbor" - my claim was simply that those people given "safe harbor" while awaiting deportation proceedings were CHILDREN. I was wrong - it was children AND FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN....

    Again, these claims you make are much like the effort that created the test detailed in the OP. The narrative of "poor people bad" is a Liberal/Progressive taking point. It's not a policy of the GOP. That is an out and out lie. But that doesn't seem to stop Liberal/Progressives from putting up these bogus narratives. You have done it yourself. ProCon.org? A tool of the Progressive Machine, funded by groups like Annnenberg and Drown? And you think they don't have an agenda?
    Which claims? You've invented some straw men (claims I never made) and then beat the crap out of them.

    And shooting the messenger isn't actually a way to challenge data. I had no idea where that the graph came from procon.org, nor would it have mattered. It was a Google hit. I posted it because it had estimates by many orgs. If you think the data presented in that graph are wrong, post your own data. There are lots of graphs and tables with similar data (a net decline in the illegal pop since 2008) - none that I saw were inconsistent with the graph. But you're free to come up with your own evidence. It's how this works.

    Let's face it, the only thing settled is how far you will go to carry the meme, and continue the liberal/progressive message.
    I'm still waiting on some claim I made that is false. Guess I'll be waiting a while.... too bad.

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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I never claimed the children (or families with children) had been deported. I said they were treated humanely. Those are different claims.



    Again, I didn't claim they were NOT given "safe harbor" - my claim was simply that those people given "safe harbor" while awaiting deportation proceedings were CHILDREN. I was wrong - it was children AND FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN....



    Which claims? You've invented some straw men (claims I never made) and then beat the crap out of them.

    And shooting the messenger isn't actually a way to challenge data. I had no idea where that the graph came from procon.org, nor would it have mattered. It was a Google hit. I posted it because it had estimates by many orgs. If you think the data presented in that graph are wrong, post your own data. There are lots of graphs and tables with similar data (a net decline in the illegal pop since 2008) - none that I saw were inconsistent with the graph. But you're free to come up with your own evidence. It's how this works.



    I'm still waiting on some claim I made that is false. Guess I'll be waiting a while.... too bad.
    LOL.

    Now you're completely making things up. You mentioned Obama and deportations. You never wrote anything about "awaiting deportation proceedings".

    You're a mess on this one Jasper.

    Once again, the point being made in the OP is proven correct. It's propaganda, and it's pervasive, and it's disgusting when it's allowed in our children's classrooms. There is no excuse.

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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL.

    Now you're completely making things up. You mentioned Obama and deportations. You never wrote anything about "awaiting deportation proceedings".
    You're right, I said 'treated humanely' and didn't mention that the kids had been deported.

    But maybe we've moved on from the children being deported since I didn't make that claim, and now you're talking about the broader one about deportations. Got it. Ask and ye shall receive:



    I picked an anti-immigration site just for you. The relevant number is the darker line - I'm colorblind so I don't know what color it is.

    And I know the argument is that the larger numbers are apprehensions at the border and inflate the totals. OK, but ICE can do two things - just send them back to try again and there is no penalty for that next try - those are the lighter colored removals - or a formal proceeding which theoretically deters future crossings.

    At any rate, his removal/deportations are higher than any recent POTUS, we're spending more at the border than ever before, the population of illegals is lower than when he took office, so I'm unclear what data you have to support the "massive illegal alien invasion" charge. Nothing, apparently, which makes sense because a net decline in the population of illegals =/= 'massive illegal alien invasion'

    Once again, the point being made in the OP is proven correct. It's propaganda, and it's pervasive, and it's disgusting when it's allowed in our children's classrooms. There is no excuse.
    What's propaganda? Citing evidence that you haven't even tried to refute? Got it!

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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're right, I said 'treated humanely' and didn't mention that the kids had been deported.

    But maybe we've moved on from the children being deported since I didn't make that claim, and now you're talking about the broader one about deportations. Got it. Ask and ye shall receive:



    I picked an anti-immigration site just for you. The relevant number is the darker line - I'm colorblind so I don't know what color it is.

    And I know the argument is that the larger numbers are apprehensions at the border and inflate the totals. OK, but ICE can do two things - just send them back to try again and there is no penalty for that next try - those are the lighter colored removals - or a formal proceeding which theoretically deters future crossings.

    At any rate, his removal/deportations are higher than any recent POTUS, we're spending more at the border than ever before, the population of illegals is lower than when he took office, so I'm unclear what data you have to support the "massive illegal alien invasion" charge. Nothing, apparently, which makes sense because a net decline in the population of illegals =/= 'massive illegal alien invasion'



    What's propaganda? Citing evidence that you haven't even tried to refute? Got it!

    I'll let the very left Los Angeles Times cut through your attempted spin.


    High deportation figures are misleading - LA Times

    EXCERPTS:

    But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

    Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.

    On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics

    Until recent years, most people caught illegally crossing the southern border were simply bused back into Mexico in what officials called "voluntary returns," but which critics derisively termed "catch and release." Those removals, which during the 1990s reached more 1 million a year, were not counted in Immigration and Customs Enforcement's deportation statistics.

    Now, the vast majority of border crossers who are apprehended get fingerprinted and formally deported. The change began during the George W. Bush administration and accelerated under Obama. The policy stemmed in part from a desire to ensure that people who had crossed into the country illegally would have formal charges on their records.


    As to the propaganda revealed in the OP, show me a GOP policy that explicitly states what was implied on that test.

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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    BS. Why not arm yourself with some facts? Care to learn what the ACLU had to do with turning out those thousands of mental patients, or are you satisfied with propaganda as a basis of your beliefs?

    You're echoing the what the OP is all about. The force feeding of an invented meme to students, to confirm the propaganda message has been received. It's a reinforcement of lies.
    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're right, I said 'treated humanely' and didn't mention that the kids had been deported.

    But maybe we've moved on from the children being deported since I didn't make that claim, and now you're talking about the broader one about deportations. Got it. Ask and ye shall receive:



    I picked an anti-immigration site just for you. The relevant number is the darker line - I'm colorblind so I don't know what color it is.

    And I know the argument is that the larger numbers are apprehensions at the border and inflate the totals. OK, but ICE can do two things - just send them back to try again and there is no penalty for that next try - those are the lighter colored removals - or a formal proceeding which theoretically deters future crossings.

    At any rate, his removal/deportations are higher than any recent POTUS, we're spending more at the border than ever before, the population of illegals is lower than when he took office, so I'm unclear what data you have to support the "massive illegal alien invasion" charge. Nothing, apparently, which makes sense because a net decline in the population of illegals =/= 'massive illegal alien invasion'



    What's propaganda? Citing evidence that you haven't even tried to refute? Got it!


    other than clerical what is the difference between "returned" and "deported", I suspect the latter would be those who had established lives there.

    Why shouldn't all illegals be sent home?

    By the way, have you any idea or estimate of the percentage of the 500,000 illegals flooding in each year are in criminal gangs and drug cartels. I have been wondering and because you have charts and **** I thought you might know,

    Here it is over 70%.
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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    other than clerical what is the difference between "returned" and "deported", I suspect the latter would be those who had established lives there.

    Why shouldn't all illegals be sent home?

    By the way, have you any idea or estimate of the percentage of the 500,000 illegals flooding in each year are in criminal gangs and drug cartels. I have been wondering and because you have charts and **** I thought you might know,

    Here it is over 70%.
    I don't have any specific charts I can lay my hands on quickly, but a quick google reveals the numbers are similar here.


    This site suggests 66% of latino gang members are illegal aliens. I don't know if that can be extrapolated into a percentage of those entering every year, but the number is certainly high. Consider the possibilities among the under 18 year olds that have been part of the lefts invited invasion from south of the border over the last year plus.

    Illegal Immigration: Drugs, Gangs and Crime


    With headlines similar to the one below, this meme about "highest number of deportations" reveals the spin and manipulation of facts that serves as the cornerstone of the liberal/progressive agenda.

    Deportations Drop as Obama Pushes for New Immigration Law - Bloomberg Business

    Dec. 17 (Bloomberg) -- The Obama administration has cut back on deporting undocumented immigrants, with forced departures on track to drop more than 10 percent, the first annual decline in more than a decade.

    Through the manipulation of deportation numbers detailed in the LA Times link I provided in a previous post, and it's pretty clear what is being done.

    What I can't understand is how these efforts have any long term legs. Inner city minorities have been crushed by illegals, and yet they still tend to support liberal/progressive leaders. It's mind boggling.

    I guess when they get to kids early, as shown in the OP, it's hard to know what truth is. Kind of like a Stockholm Syndrome effect.

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    Re: School worksheet tells kids GOP thinks helping poor 'waste of money,' parent clai

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'll let the very left Los Angeles Times cut through your attempted spin.
    You're hilarious - you posted an article that reinforced what I included in my post. Thanks, but I'm not sure who you were trying to inform.

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