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Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

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Hicup said:
Ok, but here's where you run into trouble for your statement. The 14th isn't just some one size fits all amendment, there are degrees of what the government must show. In this case, it has been established, even by Walker that SSM requires rational basis, and it has been shown, regardless of whether you agree, that by states amending their constitutions to place limits on marriage, they are by definition rational on their face.
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If "it was enacted" passes rational basis, then rational basis isn't a test in the first place.



Walker didn't like that, even though he knew it, so what he did was invent gender as the basis for SSM, not sexuality. The lawyers in opposition, and since in many court cases have followed the Prop 8 guide and have argued rational basis.
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States are defining marriage as between a man and a woman. This is clearly a distinction of gender.

How this reflects upon your statement that people are afforded rights by collective compromise seems to be inconsistent with the way this is all playing out. It doesn't seem like there's any compromising going on, instead we have judges changing laws, laws voted on by the people, not because of tyranny of the will of the people, but because they simply don't like them.
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Just say "activist judges." It says what you want to say in fewer words. It's the exact same handwave everyone else is trying to make, and it is bogus. They aren't doing it "because they don't like them." They are doing it because their best judgment says the laws are a violation of the 14th amendment.

The constitution is the supreme law of the land. It doesn't matter how many people vote for a law. If it violates the constitution, it violates the constitution.

Judges are writing law in America today, and to do so, they're changing the perception of the argument, by ignoring that the petitioners are petitioning not based on their gender, but on the basis of their sexual orientation. By invoking gender (Of which those against Prop 8 did not even argue in any of their briefs but Walker gifted them) Walker created a distinction without a distinction for the sake of raising the level of scrutiny to be considered by the court. That is NOT compromise, it isn't a collective, in fact, what Walker and seemingly every single judge thereafter has done, is effectively ignore the process by which rights are afforded, and or limited in the US, by manipulating the level of review. The real question that needs to be answered is: What is the nature of the SSM debate, and how should it be reviewed, and viewed by not only our judges, but by its citizens, and leaders?


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The issue is whether or not your moral disapproval is basis alone for denying someone else a choice.

The answer is no.

Same-sex marriage bans do not pass the rational basis test. "It was enacted" isn't good enough.
 
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Good lord there seems to be a lot of these threads around her. Not sure how many i will read all the way through or participate in because bigotry of this nature to me is appalling. Its some of the lowest forms of people we have in america right down there with murders, rapists and women/child abusers.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Good lord there seems to be a lot of these threads around her. Not sure how many i will read all the way through or participate in because bigotry of this nature to me is appalling. Its some of the lowest forms of people we have in america right down there with murders, rapists and women/child abusers.
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Bigotry: "Intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself."
 
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Taylor said:
Bigotry: "Intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself."
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Very good that's one of the definitions of bigotry. Do you have a point?
 
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It's a little of topic and I know I'm probably going to regret this since I find bigotry so appalling but, are there people here that truly believe gays should be denied equal rights? And if so please state what you think your best justifiable reason is.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Very good that's one of the definitions of bigotry. Do you have a point?
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I did, but I'm having trouble remembering. Something about glass houses and stones.
 
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Taylor said:
I did, but I'm having trouble remembering. Something about glass houses and stones.
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I knew that was the mistake and huge fail you are going for, can you point out "my" intolerance please that will be great! It will be very entertaining watching your attempts fail.

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
 
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LaylaWindu said:
I knew that was he mistake and huge fail you are going for, can you point out "my" intolerance please that will be great! It will be very entertaining watching your attempts fail and make a fool of yourself.

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
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If you believe that comparing people to "murders (sic), rapists and women/child abusers" is preaching tolerance, I'd hate to see what you view as "intolerant." That post of yours was the single-most intolerant post in this thread.
 
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Taylor said:
If you believe that comparing people to "murders (sic), rapists and women/child abusers" is preaching tolerance, I'd hate to see what you view as "intolerant." That post of yours was the single-most intolerant post in this thread.
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Hahah that's funny I knew you would fail. I'll ask you again, can you point out "my" intolerance. I bet you fail again.

Maybe like bigot, tolerance is a word you don't understand, here ill help you:

intolerant
1: unable or unwilling to endure
2a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters
2b : unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : bigoted

Can you answer now? Your task is to point out my intolerance, lets see what you come up with.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Hahah that's funny I knew you would fail. I'll ask you again, can you point out "my" intolerance. I bet you fail again.

Maybe like bigot, tolerance is a word you dont understand, here ill help you:


intolerant


1: unable or unwilling to endure
2a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters
2b : unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : bigoted

Can you answer now? Your task is to point out my intolerance, lets see what you come up with.
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Nah, I've said my peace and don't wish to play this game. It's clear you don't want to admit your intolerance publicly, but hopefully you'll refrain from making such ridiculously excessive remarks in the future.
 
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Taylor said:
Nah, I've said my peace and don't wish to play this game. It's clear you don't want to admit your intolerance publicly, but hopefully you'll refrain from making such ridiculously excessive remarks in the future.
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Good move not playing since you already lost. You got caught with your pants down and can't back up your claim so you are side stepping it. Sorry I'm not the intolerant one hahaha. Also in the future I WILL NOT refrain from identifying people who wish to violate or deny the rights of others and treat them like objects. They are 100% scum of the earth and vile creatures. Their type of evil, incivility and ratchet false intellect makes them the worse of the worse.

Hopefully you'll refrain from making such ridiculously excessive lies about a person in the future that you can't back up.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
It's a little of topic and I know I'm probably going to regret this since I find bigotry so appalling but, are there people here that truly believe gays should be denied equal rights? And if so please state what you think your best justifiable reason is.
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'Fraid so.

Today we have a post saying outright that Sarah Palin is a C-word, slut and a whore.

And we have a thread asking if babies should be banned from flying because they cry.

You must always remember the internet attacks the most radical of beings.

There is a feature called "ignore"...make it a friend and you will be fine. It has been my experience since the days of sitting at the back of the bus that bigots never change so don't try, just point out they are and move on
 
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Taylor said:
Bigotry: "Intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself."
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Are we suggesting that being against intolerance is bigotry?

Well, there are two responses to that..beginning with so what? You don't like pay back?

And

two, no it isn't, you are not bleeding
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Maybe like bigot, tolerance is a word you don't understand, here ill help you:

intolerant
1: unable or unwilling to endure
2a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters
2b : unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : bigoted
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This would be being dishonest in argument.
What you have provided is a changed and incomplete definition.
Anyone can pick up an old Merriam-webster's and see the changes made, while most of the dictionaries on the net haven't limited their definitions.


When you Google "intolerant" the most prevalent meaning is returned

in·tol·er·ant
ˌinˈtäl(ə)rənt/
adjective
adjective: intolerant

not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.
"he was intolerant of ignorance"​
https://www.google.com/search?q=intolerant&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8​


The Free dictionary contains the definitions of multiple source.
intolerant - definition of intolerant by The Free Dictionary
Which again shows that the word is not limited in usage as you tried to suggest with what you provided.

The opposing position is as intolerable and bigoted as those that it opposes.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
'Fraid so.

Today we have a post saying outright that Sarah Palin is a C-word, slut and a whore.

And we have a thread asking if babies should be banned from flying because they cry.

You must always remember the internet attacks the most radical of beings.

There is a feature called "ignore"...make it a friend and you will be fine. It has been my experience since the days of sitting at the back of the bus that bigots never change so don't try, just point out they are and move on
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Palin is a ****, slut and whore? Do they know her? hahaha jokes aside yeah that's excessive. I mean I don't think highly of her on a national level but those words don't come to mind at all. Especially the C-Word, in america society has pretty much determined that's a pretty low word and it's usage needs saved for special moments.

Yeah I was in the baby banning thread, I only made one post though. That idea is silly and excessive also but I did admit I'm surprised that some marketing scheme has picked this idea up and ran with it yet.

I agree "internet culture" is very different from real life. I wonder if the differences are a phony one or real one though. Meaning are the people on line for real and are just hiding those feelings in real life or are most of them just desperate for attention.

Ignore? I'm not familiar with that, I'm pretty capable of just ignoring some people on my own when I want and some times they are fun to play with like earlier in this thread. In the future I might use it though, how does it work?
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Are we suggesting that being against intolerance is bigotry?

Well, there are two responses to that..beginning with so what? You don't like pay back?

And

two, no it isn't, you are not bleeding
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Yes that was the suggestion and it failed.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Yes that was the suggestion and it failed.
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No, your response failed as shown.
 
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Excon said:
This would be being dishonest in argument.
What you have provided is a changed and incomplete definition.
Anyone can pick up an old Merriam-webster's and see the changes made, while most of the dictionaries on the net haven't limited their definitions.


When you Google "intolerant" the most prevalent meaning is returned
in·tol·er·ant
ˌinˈtäl(ə)rənt/
adjective
adjective: intolerant
not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.
"he was intolerant of ignorance"​

https://www.google.com/search?q=intolerant&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8​


The Free dictionary contains the definitions of multiple source.
intolerant - definition of intolerant by The Free Dictionary
Which again shows that the word is not limited in usage as you tried to suggest with what you provided.

The opposing position is as intolerable and bigoted as those that it opposes.
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I changed nothing nor was anything dishonest nor did I try to limit anything, but thanks for your opinion.
 
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Excon said:
No, your response failed as shown.
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Come again? What response?

So you can show an example of how I'm a bigot or was intolerant? Please do so now thanks?
 
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LaylaWindu said:
I changed nothing nor was anything dishonest nor did I try to limit anything, but thanks for your opinion.
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1. Your argument was dishonest.
2. I never said you changed it. Which does not refute the fact that is a changed definition from that previously held. As I said, all one has to do is pick up an old Merriam-Websters to find that out.
3. This reply from you is also dishonest as you did limit the known definition to that which you provided when the word actually applies to the opposition views as it does to that which it opposes.​
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Come again? What response?

So you can show an example of how I'm a bigot or was intolerant? Please do so now thanks?
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I see you fail to understand that which you read.

I never said you were.
I clearly pointed out that your reply failed, as the word applies to one side as it does to the other.
 
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Excon said:
1. Your argument was dishonest.
2. I never said you changed it. Which does not refute the fact that is a changed definition from that previously held. As I said, all one has to do is pick up an old Merriam-Websters to find that out.
3. This reply from you is also dishonest as you did limit the known definition to that which you provided when the word actually applies to the opposition views as it does to that which it opposes.​
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What argument? I didn't make one I asked a person to back up their claim. Seems you need to reread the thread.
Websters is where I got it from but the definition has nothing to do with anything since I made no argument.
Nope there was no limit I simply highlighted and copied the main part on the page.
Like I said thanks for your opinion.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Palin is a ****, slut and whore? Do they know her? hahaha jokes aside yeah that's excessive. I mean I don't think highly of her on a national level but those words don't come to mind at all. Especially the C-Word, in america society has pretty much determined that's a pretty low word and it's usage needs saved for special moments.

Yeah I was in the baby banning thread, I only made one post though. That idea is silly and excessive also but I did admit I'm surprised that some marketing scheme has picked this idea up and ran with it yet.

I agree "internet culture" is very different from real life. I wonder if the differences are a phony one or real one though. Meaning are the people on line for real and are just hiding those feelings in real life or are most of them just desperate for attention.

Ignore? I'm not familiar with that, I'm pretty capable of just ignoring some people on my own when I want and some times they are fun to play with like earlier in this thread. In the future I might use it though, how does it work?
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Why are we here?

Sometimes, but not often the radicalism is posed. A psychologist friend of mine who began lurking these sites because of my involvement says it is a way for very "committed people" to voice feelings that would be viewed as unacceptable in face to face life or what I call 3D. In a way it's a kind of comfort food, a place where you can be validated in your belief Nazism was the world's greatest loss....I can give you the site.

For others, it is a means of contributing, positively or negatively in the system that is either failing them or saving them, and in this forum some people who truly are fighting for their country. Me? Entertainment.

You "ignore" by clicking on the posters avatar, going to their site and clicking on "add to ignore list". Their comments are then hidden from your view. I find it saves a lot of time and headaches dealing out the irrelevant, trolls, ignorant and people who call women whores sluts and co forth. Like you I am extremely intolerant of bigotry and have little time for character assassination. If a poster can't argue on merit, they have no value to my entertainment.

BTW, Sarah Palin's policies are just about as close as you could get to the opposite of mine. All I know is there is a segment of America in whom there is an intense, unhealthy hatred...a personal hatred that I find sickening.
 
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Excon said:
I see you fail to understand that which you read.

I never said you were.
I clearly pointed out that your reply failed, as the word applies to one side as it does to the other.
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Yes that seems to be your problem.
My reply didn't fail because it was a question. It never said there were no sides to anything hahaha.
What ever dilemma you have with my question is a self invented one and has nothing to do with me or my question.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Are we suggesting that being against intolerance is bigotry?

Well, there are two responses to that..beginning with so what? You don't like pay back?

And

two, no it isn't, you are not bleeding
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Payback for what? I haven't made any bigoted remarks. And there are ways to "be against intolerance" without likening people to murderers and child molesters. Surely you understand this.

If you do remember the days of being forced to sit at the back of the bus, I'd urge you to also remember the example of those most responsible for leading the fight to the front. Good day.
 
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