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Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

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I'm referring to the American Revolution, I can't pick a better one than that. Sometimes, it seems that the left can't get skin color off their minds. You should learn to look beyond skin color.

You mean the American Revolution where progressives rebelled against aristocracy and conservatives stayed loyal to the king? You might want to check that "we" stuff, then. The only rebellion that someone you could call "we" participated in took place in the 1860s, not the 1770s.
 
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Even if it is motivated by racism, that does not give the federal government the right to violate the Constitution. Do you understand that? It seems that you don't from your post.

And it is apparent from your post that you don't understand the Bill of Rights, the Fourteenth Amendment, or the fact that the Civil War ended this bull**** debate between the rights of states and the pre-eminence of the Federal Government and the Federal Courts. Sadly, you are not alone in denying reality.
 
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Except that they don't, but hey don't let that stop you from making things up.

Actually they do, but keep fighting that battle.
 
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I didn't say the SCOTUS can't take cases on Constitutionality. Who would enforce it? That's the problem. Who is enforcing the Constitution now? Seems to me that nobody is, or just barely, if at all.

That's why Obama can run around threatening Congress that they better make a law that he wants, or he'll do it himself. Absolutely a separation of powers issue. But he doesn't care, who is going to stop him? No one on the left and very few republicans. He is abusing the system.

The Founders just assumed that if the President tried to take Congress's powers, that they would stop him. They never thought that they would just lay down like these idiots. So we are left with no one to stop this stuff.

May I suggest emigration as a possible solution for you?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

I'm referring to the American Revolution, I can't pick a better one than that. Sometimes, it seems that the left can't get skin color off their minds. You should learn to look beyond skin color.

Yeah, but with bigots around who conveniently forget history, it's hard for those of us on the left to let them get away with 'memory loss'.
 
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Well, most of the Constitutional Law Professors in the country disagree with you. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

He's latching onto the difference between an order and a decision and resting his entire argument on it.
 
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You need to realize that the important issue is not SSM, it is the federal government over stepping their authority. That needs to stop. SSM is not worth having a violent uprising over, an all powerful federal government is. Certainly not the first option, but at some point it becomes the only option. We did it before, hopefully we won't have to do it again.

A violent uprising? Good grief. The fantasies some people conjure up.
 
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District court decisions are non-binding on state courts. I'll keep repeating myself until it sinks in or people learn to research things for themselves rather than pulling opinions out of their arses.


No, it does not, as the judge herself has already explained in dismissing contempt complaints earlier this week.

I'm sorry that is plainly nonsense. Federal district court orders are enforceable against the state. This is a Federal Constitutional question which gives the district court jurisdiction and since the Federal Constitution supersedes state law her decision is binding on the state.

Do you have a link to her opinion? I'd like to read it for myself.
 
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Yeah, the Bible does have it's place in the US. A few more generations and you, or people like you will be muslims and they will like it. It's not going away and they aren't open for discussing.

as if christian theocracy is any better than shari'a law. One only needs to look at alabama to see proof of that
 
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You might want to look at what the 1st amendment was really about regarding the separation of church and state.
The catholic church in England was dictating political policy to the state.....

What the hell do you call banning SSM? Religion dictating political policy to the state. Some of these probate judges even cite "adam and eve" as if they derive their entire moral code and legal adherence from an ancient book of fables that tries to legitimize slavery (another deep south tradition) and offering one's daughters up for rape
 
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...unless you are a baker who doesn't want to bake a gay wedding cake, or a photographer who doesn't want to photograph a gay wedding.

Really, this "it doesn't affect you" BS is just BS, and it doesn't fly any more, it's already affecting people.

Yes, keep naming two extremely rare and unlikely scenarios as if it comes remotely close to the harm done to gay couples. Taking pictures for a half hour doesn't force you to 'approve' anything either. It just means doing your ****ing job the same as always

Tons of people do things they don't like in their jobs, and i would laugh in the face of any right wing tears, except i know they don't give a damn about the bigot baker or photographer, except to use them to oppress
 
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Are you saying we are less morally bankrupt today?

if anyone doubted southerners are nostalgic for slavery...
 
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Then they will stop saying so, and that will put an end to your game. Do you want justice or do you just want it your way?

Until a pattern is proven and they're hauled into court and have to choose between committing perjury and losing a lawsuit
 
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A ruling that is (for now) non-binding. Feel free to file a complaint for contempt, but it will be dismissed same as the others.

Do you really think this scumbag moore will not do the same after SCOTUS rules definitely that SSM is a constitutional right? Since he issued this threat after SCOTUS refused to stay the federal court ruling (which does make it binding), i'm guessing he will really dig his own grave in june. Although if there's any justice, he will be ousted long before then.
 
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You mean the American Revolution where progressives rebelled against aristocracy and conservatives stayed loyal to the king? You might want to check that "we" stuff, then. The only rebellion that someone you could call "we" participated in took place in the 1860s, not the 1770s.

Yes, that one with those big government "progressives" rebelling against the big government. I never knew that the founder's motivation was to create their own big government that controlled our lives. Boy, you'd never know it by the stuff they wrote. LOL!
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

District court decisions are non-binding on state courts. I'll keep repeating myself until it sinks in or people learn to research things for themselves rather than pulling opinions out of their arses.


No, it does not, as the judge herself has already explained in dismissing contempt complaints earlier this week.

Really then why has the # of probate judges refusing to comply with the federal court ruling gone down from 54 to 44 in a *single day*? Why aren't they waiting until Friday at least?

Because they know they're in contempt and will be sued personally if they do not
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

He's latching onto the difference between an order and a decision and resting his entire argument on it.
Also known as understanding the law.
 
Here is a major problem with the judicial branch in alabama, aside from its total disrespect for the constitution and federal authority: The state allows judges to not even be a lawyer! I guess there's a severe dearth of the educated in alabama who will pander enough to bigoted voters to achieve election.

Take this comment from calhoun county judge martin: "My reading of the order that was issued by Justice Moore is that it is directed to probate judges and their agents or employees, and it is a direct order to us. That is something I’m going to follow until something tells me otherwise. I think it’d be inappropriate for me to comment on this, because it’s undecided"

Ok let's dissect what would be a brain fart to those who had a brain in the first place. Moore has no authority here. That "something tells me otherwise" would be the Supreme Court. It's also NOT undecided.

I'm eagerly looking forward to her impending doom. It's outrageous she's even on the bench to begin with
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

I'm sorry that is plainly nonsense. Federal district court orders are enforceable against the state. This is a Federal Constitutional question which gives the district court jurisdiction and since the Federal Constitution supersedes state law her decision is binding on the state.

Do you have a link to her opinion? I'd like to read it for myself.
Yes, orders are enforceable, but that doesn't mean that district court decisions are binding on state courts. Probate judges are free to ignore her opinion (as many are doing now) but not free to ignore an order (which may come down later this week). I can't easily link the opinion right now because I'm on my phone (someone quoted it earlier in this thread, maybe WorldWatcher?).
 
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To the bolded, that's interesting commentary. Which, if either, do you consider superior?

i consider myself a global citizen only and that, unfortunately, federal power is needed to enforce basic human dignity and rights

alabama is like a small but particularly annoying pothole, in that regard
 
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And it is apparent from your post that you don't understand the Bill of Rights, the Fourteenth Amendment, or the fact that the Civil War ended this bull**** debate between the rights of states and the pre-eminence of the Federal Government and the Federal Courts. Sadly, you are not alone in denying reality.

Oh, please, educate me! Educate us all. Yes, explain how the civil war was fought and the 14th amendment passed to give the federal government the power to force States to recognize gay marriage. LOL! Oh, boy this is just great stuff.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Yes, orders are enforceable, but that doesn't mean that district court decisions are binding on state courts. Probate judges are free to ignore her opinion (as many are doing now) but not free to ignore an order (which may come down later this week). I can't easily link the opinion right now because I'm on my phone (someone quoted it earlier in this thread, maybe WorldWatcher?).


No Prob...


Original order -->> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=...-14-cv-00208-53-alabama-opinion-and-order.pdf

Clarifying order -->>1:14-cv-00208 #65 Order Clarifying Judgment

Additional Parties -->> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1658559-strawser-order-2-10-15.html


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May I suggest emigration as a possible solution for you?

Yes, keep them coming. When someone replies with personal insults and asinine remarks, it gives me a good idea of the thought process I'm dealing with. And, you're basically telling me that you give up and all you can do is resort to name calling. So, thanks.
 
Here is a major problem with the judicial branch in alabama, aside from its total disrespect for the constitution and federal authority: The state allows judges to not even be a lawyer! I guess there's a severe dearth of the educated in alabama who will pander enough to bigoted voters to achieve election.
Yeah, well... also true of over half the states in the country as well as Federal district courts, circuit courts, and even the Supreme Court. So... you're not really one to talk about a "dearth of the educated."
 
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Yeah, but with bigots around who conveniently forget history, it's hard for those of us on the left to let them get away with 'memory loss'.

No, it's hard for those on the left to come up with a scholarly, well thought out response, as far as I can see. But you sure are providing tons of imformation about your character.
 
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