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Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

And you're allowed to marry a woman. Boom.

Yup, but a woman is not. Boom.
 
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Yeah, that is what people said after oral arguments for the ACA case. Then it turned out as almost no one predicted. Don't try and predict SCOTUS, it does not tend to go well.

I don't recall anyone saying that after the oral arguments. In fact, people were kind of surprised by some of the line of questioning that made it appear that it could go either way...however, no one predicted the reasoning that the court actually decided it on. The vote on the marriage equality is completely different. Not only did the votes in the DOMA and Prop 8 give an indication on where the justices are headed...Kennedy's opinion gave a clear preview of where the court is heading when a case is brought before them, such that Scalia felt the need to lash out in his vitriolic dissent. Add into that the recent decision to not stay the lower court rulings and it is clear that this battle is over except for the final ballot. There is no way that the court would put the state of the marriages in a condition that they would be if the Court were going to rule against marriage equality. They say its not over til the fat lady sings....but she's about 3/4ths of the way through the song and she is going to finish it....no question. We will be celebrating freedom and marriage equality for all in June....guaranteed.
 
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For the same reason I can't streak times square

That...didn't actually make any sense.
 
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Have you read any American history?

We're the UNITED STATES, emphasis on STATES. The way things are now, we ought to change the name of our country to the American Federal Republic.

What the hell does a state do anymore? I'll tell you, what we have become is NOT what the original founders had in mind.

If you understood the Supremacy Clause and the US Constitution, you could answer your own question. I suggest you pick up a book and educate yourself about what the Supremacy Clause is and how it dictates the way that our country operates. Its actually quite fascinating and makes a lot of sense when you understand it.
 
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This is about a legal case, not some moral case. Please do learn the difference. Start with learning what laws are, and work from there.

Don't include appeals to patience like this in your argument: "a wait of a few more months is not going to kill any one"

Then whine about it being refuted as bland reductionism. You sound just like the anti equality crowd - "they already have equal rights, let the states sort it out, no rush"

This is only a legal case because bigots thought there was a state of emergency to prevent two dudes from marrying. The litany of ballot drives was certainly not an exercise of patience

And try being a 2nd class citizen, officially for 7 years, and then saying there's no rush
 
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So it's the federal government (federal court) dictating to the states what they can and can't do. Again, when did we become that country?

May 29th, 1790.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Sure, indecency laws are typically locally determined.

If they're based on such things as age, gender or race (for example) then they'd be discriminatory.
 
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If you understood the Supremacy Clause and the US Constitution, you could answer your own question. I suggest you pick up a book and educate yourself about what the Supremacy Clause is and how it dictates the way that our country operates. Its actually quite fascinating and makes a lot of sense when you understand it.

The supremecy clause is garbage. But anyway, what federal law expressly gives gays the right to marry?
 
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You realize the Supreme Court is a branch of the federal government, right?

When people speak of the Feds, they're generally speaking of all three branches of government

And the supreme court was never intended to usurp the states

You think i give a damn about pre 1800? SOMEONE has to uphold equal protection and prevent states and tyranny of majority from crushing every minority in sight. The congress sure as hell won't do it in modern times, so the onus falls on SCOTUS
 
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You think i give a damn about pre 1800? SOMEONE has to uphold equal protection and prevent states and tyranny of majority from crushing every minority in sight. The congress sure as hell won't do it in modern times, so the onus falls on SCOTUS

Cool so a bunch of unelected blowhards with no chance of ever being held accountable for anything. I'll pass on the jurocracy
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

swing and a miss.

From someone who pities bigoted judges, i'll take that as a compliment
 
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The supremecy clause is garbage. But anyway, what federal law expressly gives gays the right to marry?

You need to go back to "Libertarian" school. The constitution by and large does not grant you rights, it restricts the power of government. For example, the constitution doesn't give you the right to freedom of speech, it restricts the power of government in regards to its ability to restrict speech. Similarly, the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment restricts the power of government to deny anyone equal protection under the law. By not granting same sex couples the right to legal marriage recognition, a state is in clear violation of the 14th amendment, thus as it is a constitutional issue, the federal courts are exactly where it should be litigated.

Jefferson was actually worried that by having a Bill of Rights, someone would come along in the future and actually think those were the only rights citizens had.
 
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How about religion?

So what about religion? I've shown (and you haven't managed to dispute) that gay marriage bans are gender discrimination. That's why gay marriage bans are reliably shot down.
 
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The supremecy clause is garbage. But anyway, what federal law expressly gives gays the right to marry?

LOL.....Okie Dokie. Just saying that doesn't change the fact that the Supremacy Clause is part of the US Constitution and is one of the main tenements of the way our country operates. Do you really understand what the Supremacy Clause is and how it functions?

As for your second question - while you are at it in your ConLaw research you might want to explore Equal Protection and the 14th Amendment. That should answer your question for you.
 
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So what about religion? I've shown (and you haven't managed to dispute) that gay marriage bans are gender discrimination. That's why gay marriage bans are reliably shot down.

Well gender and race you can't control. Religion you can. And you don't need to answer, I already know religious freedom is protected. So what if my religion tells me I must bear my dong when the clock strikes noon tomorrow at times square? Will Jesse Jackson and the civil rights brigade be there to dry my tears in jail?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

LOL.....Okie Dokie. Just saying that doesn't change the fact that the Supremacy Clause is part of the US Constitution and is one of the main tenements of the way our country operates. Do you really understand what the Supremacy Clause is and how it functions?

As for your second question - while you are at it in your ConLaw research you might want to explore Equal Protection and the 14th Amendment. That should answer your question for you.

Pretty sure the 14th amendment doesn't mention gays.

So you have your supremecy clause, which says that federal law supersedes state law. But you have no federal law that expressly says all gays shall have the right to marry. So all you have is some federal judges who are liberally INTERPRETING the 14th amendment as it fits their agenda, who are then using the supremecy clause to impose their activism on the helpless people of Alabama
 
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1.)What ever happened to state's rights?
2.)Since when did marriage become a federal priority?

1.) states rights are fully intact and not infringed on as many court cases have pointed out
2.) who said it was? equal rights is an issue right now because states are violating it and COURT CASES make it an issue. Take away the violations and the feds dont have to get involved . . .its how government works
 
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1.)Since when did the federal government need to get involved in whether prisoners have the "right" to marry?
2.)We are so far removed from what the founders of this nation had in mind in terms of how our government is structured, it's ridiculous.
3.) I don't want the federal government involved with social issues.

1.) again when theres rights infringements thats when the fed gets involved, thats just how government works.
2.) you are welcome to that opinion
3.) again by design thats whats going to happen when it involves individual rights and the constitution.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Pretty sure the 14th amendment doesn't mention gays.

So you have your supremecy clause, which says that federal law supersedes state law. But you have no federal law that expressly says all gays shall have the right to marry. So all you have is some federal judges who are liberally INTERPRETING the 14th amendment as it fits their agenda, who are then using the supremecy clause to impose their activism on the helpless people of Alabama

No....that isn't exactly what the Supremacy Clause says at all....only in certain contexts. As for the 14th Amendment...you just displayed that you really have no idea what it is about. You really should pick up a book and do a little research. You might learn something.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

1.)So it's the federal government (federal court) dictating to the states what they can and can't do.
2.)Again, when did we become that country?
3.)The courts have far, far overstepped their constitutional authority long ago.

1.) yes when they violate individual rights and the constitution
2.) always have been by design
3.) no it was the STATE that far overstepped thier authority long ago as the many court cases prove. What is it now like over 25 cases and over 45 judges?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

1.)The 14th amendment says nothing about gay marriage. If the federal court ruled that way, it's a loose "interpretation" as they are so fond of doing. Bend the constitution to fit whatever pet agenda you have that day.
2.) If gay marriage is constitutional, why didn't we have gay marriage immediately after the 14th amendment was ratified?
3.)The federal court is overstepping its bounds and trampling on state's rights in this case.

1.) doesnt have too, this strawman always fails. Constitution doesnt mention rape either can states just legalize rape?
2.) if guns rights are constitutional why do we have states infringing on it? because laws and rights are a process that need to be challenged and fixed at times
3.) 1000% false you have it backwards as many many court cases already prove
 
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Maybe I should be allowed to marry my horse. I mean, where do you draw the line? And, more importantly, WHO gets to decide where that line is drawn?
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well you just made it so nobody honest, educated adn objective will take your posts on this issues seriously LMAO

any compassion of equal rights to bestiality is an instant loss and just gets laughed at
the line is at rights, horses cant enter contract:lamo
 
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