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Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

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SCOTUS.

Do you think this is some sort of argument that supports state discrimination against individuals?

You realize the Supreme Court is a branch of the federal government, right?

When people speak of the Feds, they're generally speaking of all three branches of government

And the supreme court was never intended to usurp the states
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

the supreme court - see: "DOMA"

but this rarely ever happens in comparison to extremist southern states, which take pride in discrimination

See above. Geez, need some civics lessons up in here
 
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This is pretty ignorant. If even once person is unable to visit their partner in the hospital, or dies before able to marry, in the coming months, it will be one too many. The only injustice is the court waited this long. Should've been dealt with back in 2008

I get what you're saying that the oral arguments in the spring will be rendered meaningless showmanship, because the justices already decided how they'll vote, but in truth, this issue has been argued to death and there's no need for any more.

This is about a legal case, not some moral case. Please do learn the difference. Start with learning what laws are, and work from there.
 
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Then let the people of Alabama vote on gay marriage in their state

No. We dont vote on individual liberty in this country. If you want to restrict individual liberty, you need a better reason than "I don't like it."
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

You realize the Supreme Court is a branch of the federal government, right?

When people speak of the Feds, they're generally speaking of all three branches of government

And the supreme court was never intended to usurp the states

States were never intended to violate personal freedom. You are the one wanting to restrict the individual, you need to justify it.
 
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No. We dont vote on individual liberty in this country. If you want to restrict individual liberty, you need a better reason than "I don't like it."

Alright, I want to run naked through Times Square. It's illegal. However, as a nudist, this infringes on my individual liberties. Right?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

States were never intended to violate personal freedom. You are the one wanting to restrict the individual, you need to justify it.

I want to smear myself with green jello, run naked through times square singing I'm an Oscar Meyer Weener. Why is that illegal?
 
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Alright, I want to run naked through Times Square. It's illegal. However, as a nudist, this infringes on my individual liberties. Right?

Right. Restricting that behavior requires that the government have a reason. "Deuce doesn't like you" isn't a good enough reason.

I'm glad we're on the same page now.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Alright, I want to run naked through Times Square. It's illegal. However, as a nudist, this infringes on my individual liberties. Right?

Are other people allowed to run naked through Times Square?
 
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Right. Restricting that behavior requires that the government have a reason. "Deuce doesn't like you" isn't a good enough reason.

I'm glad we're on the same page now.

But it is illegal. I would get arrested. How do you square that circle?
 
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But it is illegal. I would get arrested. How do you square that circle?

A substantial portion of the population believes that children are somehow harmed by viewing adult nude bodies, and I suspect this would be one of the primary reasons the government would give.

Personally, I think that's nuts (rimshot), and that the public health hazard of your unsanitary ass crack is a more compelling reason to make you wear underpants.

Now it's your turn. Justify a same-sex marriage ban.
 
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The Roberts Court has shown a strong Libertarian streak when it comes to Social issues--though I'm surprised to see Alito join Roberts and Kennedy.
Individual rights are taking precedent over state's rights.

We saw the same thing with Citizens United, as interpreted by this court.
Individual rights taking precedence over federal rights.

Yet with voting rights and ACA, we saw a mixed bag between state's rights and federal rights.
Leaning to the states but not pleasing either side--showing where the five GOP-appointed Justices are heavily conflicted .
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

A substantial portion of the population believes that children are somehow harmed by viewing adult nude bodies, and I suspect this would be one of the primary reasons the government would give.

Personally, I think that's nuts (rimshot), and that the public health hazard of your unsanitary ass crack is a more compelling reason to make you wear underpants.

Now it's your turn. Justify a same-sex marriage ban.

Same indecency argument you used. Cut and paste.
 
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Same indecency argument you used. Cut and paste.

Uhh, no, two dudes being married does not constitute a public health hazard. Sorry.

Nor does seeing two men in public cause children any harm. Or anyone else, for that matter. If you disagree, feel free to provide evidence.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Uhh, no, two dudes being married does not constitute a public health hazard. Sorry.

Nor does seeing two men in public cause children any harm. Or anyone else, for that matter. If you disagree, feel free to provide evidence.

Provide evidence that me walking naked in times square harms children.
 
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No sir. Any idea why?

Well here's the thing: if women, Asians or people aged 20-30 were allowed to run naked through Times Square, but not you, then you could pretty easily make a case for discrimination. That's what the gay marriage issue revolves around: a woman can marry a man, but you can't. Bam...discrimination.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Well here's the thing: if women, Asians or people aged 20-30 were allowed to run naked through Times Square, but not you, then you could pretty easily make a case for discrimination. That's what the gay marriage issue revolves around: a woman can marry a man, but you can't. Bam...discrimination.

But what about my individual rights as a nudist?
 
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But what about my individual rights as a nudist?

Different topic. A ban on gay marriage centers on discrimination.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Different topic. A ban on gay marriage centers on discrimination.

Fine well I'm discriminated against, all the clothes-wearers can go out in public but im not allowed for fear of arrest. I'm forced to wear clothing against my will.
 
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Fine well I'm discriminated against, all the clothes-wearers can go out in public but im not allowed for fear of arrest. I'm forced to wear clothing against my will.

You're allowed to go out in public clothed too. So far your equal protection complaint isn't holding up too well.
 
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They could very well be, but they wouldn't then be in contempt of court, disbarred and sued

Besides, not of them are qualified to be in the position to begin with, if they have no respect for federal court rulings and can only cite the bible


swing and a miss.
 
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