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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Don't be silly.

    Most of them are going to pretend it was their idea all along.

    See Conservatives and how they now take credit for the Civil Rights Act for a prime example.
    Your crystal ball is malfunctioning. IF the SCOTUS goes off the rails again and decides to nationalize homosexual marriage, the right will not be onboard.

    And conservatives don't take credit for the civil rights act, the REPUBLICAN PARTY does. As it should since they passed it.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    See post #651. Repeat that every time you use the word "fact" in any of your posts.
    So just *how* are you going to react when SCOTUS rules in favor of legal same sex marriage nationwide in June?

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your crystal ball is malfunctioning. IF the SCOTUS goes off the rails again and decides to nationalize homosexual marriage, the right will not be onboard.

    And conservatives don't take credit for the civil rights act, the REPUBLICAN PARTY does. As it should since they passed it.
    Democratic presidents pushed it, a majority Democratic House and Senate passed it. It is true however, without the Republican support it would not have passed.

    The problem was those Solid South Conservative Southerners. Democrats still pissed they lost the Civil War.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    So just *how* are you going to react when SCOTUS rules in favor of legal same sex marriage nationwide in June?
    IF they do, I'll be angered that they have once again abandoned their oath. Disillusioned that we are not ruled by constitution but by the will of seven robed ayatollahs. But then I already have an unfavorable opinion of the court. They have a history of throwing out the constitution in favor of their own social engineering projects.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Democratic presidents pushed it, a majority Democratic House and Senate passed it. It is true however, without the Republican support it would not have passed.

    The problem was those Solid South Conservative Southerners. Democrats still pissed they lost the Civil War.
    WRONG. Take a look at the By Party vote (Yea/Nay):
    By party[edit]

    The original House version:[20]
    Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
    Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

    Cloture in the Senate:[21]
    Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

    The Senate version:[20]
    Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

    The Senate version, voted on by the House:[20]
    Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
    Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

    Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    IF they do, I'll be angered that they have once again abandoned their oath. Disillusioned that we are not ruled by constitution but by the will of seven robed ayatollahs. But then I already have an unfavorable opinion of the court. They have a history of throwing out the constitution in favor of their own social engineering projects.
    Gear up, that Conservative Supreme Court is going to rule that way.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Gear up, that Conservative Supreme Court is going to rule that way.
    Meh, could be. Then again, maybe not.

    How are YOU going to react if they don't?

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    WRONG. Take a look at the By Party vote (Yea/Nay):



    Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This has been gone through a thousand times. More Democrats than Republicans voted for the bill, what I said about the Democratic presidents pushing it - a Democratic president signing it, and that the regional divide is what caused the shift -- is all true.

    The GOP Presidential candidate that year was against the Civil Rights Act of 64. The Republican Party rewarded him with the nomination for President, with future Saint Ronnie barnstorming him all the way.

    And he swept a good portion of the old South - the old Solid (Democratic) South.

    Tiresome old argument is tiresome.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Meh, could be. Then again, maybe not.

    How are YOU going to react if they don't?

    Clarence Thomas already signaled the way it's going to go in the last refusal in regards to the Alabama stay.

    Even Scalia said : "argle-bargle...it's inevitable."

    It would be incomprehensible they would rule all those now legally married, unmarried.

    If they rule different than just about every legal scholar says they will, I'll accept it.

    But I doubt that will happen.
    Last edited by Paperview; 02-17-15 at 05:35 PM.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Meh, could be. Then again, maybe not.

    How are YOU going to react if they don't?

    Actually that kind of an interesting question.

    The court has before it two questions per their own issued writ: (https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=h...615zr_f2q3.pdf)

    [indent][indent]"1) Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex?

    2) Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-state?"


    If the SCOTUS rules against Civil Marriage Equality under question #1, there will still be 19 States with legal SSCM. So the second question will come into play. They could rule that discriminating based on gender in the recognition of out of State licenses is unconstitutional while still allowing individual States not to permit SSCM's to be performed inside the State. That results in States that still ban SSCM's having to recognize out of State licenses equally. On the other hand they could rule that States don't have to recognize out of SSCM's performed outside the State based on Congress exercising it's authority under Article IV Section 1.

    Then the question becomes what happens to the legal Civil Marriages that the SCOTUS allowed to occur because by not issuing the requested stays, they allowed SSCM's to proceed.


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    So by the end of June one of two things is going to happen:

    1. The SCOTUS rules that States cannot discriminate against same-sex couples, in which case it's basically game-over as there is not the will to amend the United States Constitution (it's already been tried and failed when there was more support then there is now).

    2. The SCOTUS rules that States can discriminate against same-sex couples, in which case the issue moves back to the States. Those 19 States that have SSCM because of State action (State Supreme Court, State Legislature, State Ballot Initiative) will retain SSCM. Then the focus will be reversing State bans on a State-by-State basis. One at a time in the coming years.



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