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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Ever hear of those? You are born with them, nobody gives them to you. I guess you believe that all men are not created equal.
    Are you saying that no one can take your life, kill you? No one can put you in jail, lock/tie you up, take your freedom/liberty or keep you from pursuing happiness? The only reason that you are free to do these things is because someone, somewhere has fought for you and others (including likely you) are willing to fight to maintain it. Once no one is willing to fight for that right, then it could easily be gone.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    For those interested in the legal strategies in play on this case, I thought this piece did a pretty good job of presenting an objective summary of where we currently stand:

    In Alabama, judges fight one-on-one over gay marriage

    Thus far, only one probate judge has been ordered to issue licenses to same-sex couples - well, not exactly. The judge has prohibited him from enforcing the Alabama law restricting licenses to one man/one woman couples*, so technically he could refuse licenses altogether and not violate this particular order. The judge could also appeal to the circuit court, and argue that the law doesn't apply because district court rulings are not binding on state courts. While true, that argument is probably a losing one because in issuing licenses, probate judges are fulfilling an administrative or executive function (making the argument irrelevant).

    Davis did not persue either of those strategies, and did what many had hoped - began issuing licenses to everyone. Many expected the rest would fall in line - and a lot of judges did - but there are still a significant number of holdouts.

    The piece claims this was a "test case" and that Granade avoided a headline by forcing the order on the entire judiciary. I have yet to hear a good legal argument that even makes that possible given that most of these judges are outside her jurisdiction.

    Finally, in an unexpected move, the Alabama Supreme Court ordered several judges who are issuing licenses to same-sex couples to respond to a petition requesting that the court order these probate judges to cease and desist in issuing licenses to same-sex couples, claiming that the district ruling does not automatically validate same -sex marriage across the state. Don't know that it's worth delving too deeply in the legal arguments here, because it's likely the case will be thrown out due to plaintiffs lack of standing. Then again, I didn't think it would even get this far.


    *95% sure, but can't access right now, so am unable to verify
    The decision was valid for every judge that could possibly come up through the federal district court that heard the first case, whether they want to believe that or not. It is unreasonable to believe that the judge in the first case would rule any differently in subsequent cases when she specifically said the "state of Alabama" did not have a case there.

    This is all just these judges acting like children. Refer back to my analogy from earlier. They want to pretend the ruling doesn't apply, which does nothing but waste time and money. I hope they get sued and found liable for damages.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The decision was valid for every judge that could possibly come up through the federal district court that heard the first case, whether they want to believe that or not.
    Not sure I understand what you're trying to say here, but if you're talking about judges under her jurisdiction, they are not legally bound by the decision until they are enjoined by the court, but that's a fairly simple matter as it was for Davis (they would only be delaying things for a few extra days).

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is all just these judges acting like children. Refer back to my analogy from earlier. They want to pretend the ruling doesn't apply, which does nothing but waste time and money. I hope they get sued and found liable for damages.
    It's not as easy as that, many are simply trying to do what's required under the law. They're getting sued for issuing licenses and sued for not issuing licenses. Many are just doing what their lawyers advise them to do. Most just want this to be over.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    What is the proof? Who decides?

    I'm asking you... Do gay people have the right to marry?
    Sure, they always have. I don't know why they would want to, since marriage involves two people of the opposite sex.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    nonsense.

    If you were born in a cave in the wilderness, you have no rights. Someone - or some animal - can come along and deprive you of life, liberty or happiness in a second.
    Ah, so in that situation you have no right to life, liberty, etc...? Well, if a person is killed, they lose their life. But, at what point did they lose their right to live? See how that does not work?

    It's only civilization that says we should protect people in these areas.
    Protect? Where does that come in? You have no right to protection.

    But this is really a discussion for another thread. We're not talking about the vague 'organic rights' or 'inalienable rights' that some people claim. We are talking about the right to marriage, guaranteed by our constitution according to the supreme court, and whether the 14th amendment means those rights extend to same sex couples.
    Wait, nobody has the right to live, but everyone has the right to get married??? And it's guaranteed by the Constitution? It's not, but the left is hoping to get 5 justices that thinks it's okay and will ignore the Constitution. After Obamacare, I'm not sure they have even read the Constitution.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I mean come on, you've got to be kidding! You come on here, make those type of remarks, then it's, "Who? Little old me?" Give me a break.
    What types of remarks?
    Would you like to follow in the other posters foots steps and have your made up posts totally lose too? Please tell show us where my intolerance is, we'll be waiting.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    How tolerant are you of those that have the opinion that marriage is between a man and a woman only?
    Very, people are allowed to have that opinion all they want. Any other questions?
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    American Chinese?

    Whatever are you talking about?

    I developed a taste for Chinese in Montreal, where in Chinatown trhey had no idea what was Egg Fu Yung, nor chicken fried rice. What I discovered blew my mind. General Tso's, Lobster in black bean sauce, dry garlic ribs etc. As my career brought me west my palette become more and more sophisticated as the % of the Chinese population increased. In Saskatchewan I traveled to "Red China" in the 70's where I learned the regions....they do not have "Chinese food" did you know that? There at that time you could go to "ethnic" food outlets where you could sample Sczechuan, Mongolian, etc, all but Hong Kong.

    When I came here where Asians almost equal Europeans in numbers, the food and materials used are available at any Safeway. Since I love to cook I learned Chinese. My late wife was wowed but not won with Sushi actually, she was later won with hot chile chicken with broccoli tops and cashews and a side of Barbequed eel and onions

    Ever noticed there are very few fat Chinese? It's very healthy eating.
    Awesome but you know what I mean there is not General TSO in china or at least that's not where it came from. I was just watching a special the other day how some people are actually making an alright buck now selling american Chinese in china.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Sure, they always have. I don't know why they would want to, since marriage involves two people of the opposite sex.
    Reminds me of when blacks had the right to drink out of fountains, just not the whites only fountains. They have always had the right . . oy vey
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