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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Tell us ONE RIGHT that you get "organically" for being a living creature on this planet, and tell us how you get it.

    There is no right. Nature doesn't give a frack about rights.

    Rights come from forming together in a civilization and deciding what rights we will grant one another.

    Before civilization? nada. nothing. Nature's a bitch.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Anyone who seeks to support state sponsored discrimination is a bigot. Sorry. I can't sugar coat it.
    Oh, good, because I don't. For a minute there I thought you were calling me a bigot, which would be stupid.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Ever hear of those? You are born with them, nobody gives them to you. I guess you believe that all men are not created equal.
    He's saying that those rights can be taken away by oppression so they aren't inalienable.

    You are saying people have those rights even if someone is oppressing them.

    Can we stop quibbling over interpretations of "inalienable" now?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    Hahah that's funny I knew you would fail. I'll ask you again, can you point out "my" intolerance. I bet you fail again.

    Maybe like bigot, tolerance is a word you don't understand, here ill help you:

    intolerant
    1: unable or unwilling to endure
    2a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters
    2b : unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : bigoted
    I mean come on, you've got to be kidding! You come on here, make those type of remarks, then it's, "Who? Little old me?" Give me a break.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    Come again? What response?

    So you can show an example of how I'm a bigot or was intolerant? Please do so now thanks?
    How tolerant are you of those that have the opinion that marriage is between a man and a woman only?
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    How do you arrive at that? How are the rights inalienable?
    How could they not be inalienable? If you believe they are, then you believe some people have the right to take rights from others, and therefore you believe we are not created equal. So who do you believe is endowed with less rights than others?
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    How could they not be inalienable? If you believe they are, then you believe some people have the right to take rights from others, and therefore you believe we are not created equal. So who do you believe is endowed with less rights than others?
    What is the proof? Who decides?

    I'm asking you... Do gay people have the right to marry?
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Ever hear of those? You are born with them, nobody gives them to you. I guess you believe that all men are not created equal.
    nonsense.

    If you were born in a cave in the wilderness, you have no rights. Someone - or some animal - can come along and deprive you of life, liberty or happiness in a second.

    It's only civilization that says we should protect people in these areas.

    But this is really a discussion for another thread. We're not talking about the vague 'organic rights' or 'inalienable rights' that some people claim. We are talking about the right to marriage, guaranteed by our constitution according to the supreme court, and whether the 14th amendment means those rights extend to same sex couples.


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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    That's awesome . . .. so real Chinese food or American Chinese food?
    American Chinese?

    Whatever are you talking about?

    I developed a taste for Chinese in Montreal, where in Chinatown trhey had no idea what was Egg Fu Yung, nor chicken fried rice. What I discovered blew my mind. General Tso's, Lobster in black bean sauce, dry garlic ribs etc. As my career brought me west my palette become more and more sophisticated as the % of the Chinese population increased. In Saskatchewan I traveled to "Red China" in the 70's where I learned the regions....they do not have "Chinese food" did you know that? There at that time you could go to "ethnic" food outlets where you could sample Sczechuan, Mongolian, etc, all but Hong Kong.

    When I came here where Asians almost equal Europeans in numbers, the food and materials used are available at any Safeway. Since I love to cook I learned Chinese. My late wife was wowed but not won with Sushi actually, she was later won with hot chile chicken with broccoli tops and cashews and a side of Barbequed eel and onions

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    For those interested in the legal strategies in play on this case, I thought this piece did a pretty good job of presenting an objective summary of where we currently stand:

    In Alabama, judges fight one-on-one over gay marriage

    Thus far, only one probate judge has been ordered to issue licenses to same-sex couples - well, not exactly. The judge has prohibited him from enforcing the Alabama law restricting licenses to one man/one woman couples*, so technically he could refuse licenses altogether and not violate this particular order. The judge could also appeal to the circuit court, and argue that the law doesn't apply because district court rulings are not binding on state courts. While true, that argument is probably a losing one because in issuing licenses, probate judges are fulfilling an administrative or executive function (making the argument irrelevant).

    Davis did not persue either of those strategies, and did what many had hoped - began issuing licenses to everyone. Many expected the rest would fall in line - and a lot of judges did - but there are still a significant number of holdouts.

    The piece claims this was a "test case" and that Granade avoided a headline by forcing the order on the entire judiciary. I have yet to hear a good legal argument that even makes that possible given that most of these judges are outside her jurisdiction.

    Finally, in an unexpected move, the Alabama Supreme Court ordered several judges who are issuing licenses to same-sex couples to respond to a petition requesting that the court order these probate judges to cease and desist in issuing licenses to same-sex couples, claiming that the district ruling does not automatically validate same -sex marriage across the state. Don't know that it's worth delving too deeply in the legal arguments here, because it's likely the case will be thrown out due to plaintiffs lack of standing. Then again, I didn't think it would even get this far.


    *95% sure, but can't access right now, so am unable to verify

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