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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I've tried multiple times to explain this, but you still don't get it. Nothing is playing out as if "any judge or state legislator violating that law is doing so illegally and will be held accountable," but you still don't get it. Even most of the media is now starting to explain this correctly, but you still don't get it.
    Trying to explain something that directly contradicts what i just quoted from the judge's ruling, no i will not get that.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Trying to explain something that directly contradicts what i just quoted from the judge's ruling, no i will not get that.
    Nobody is trying to contradict the judge's ruling, just your interpretation of who it applies to. And yes, we know you don't get it, no need to remind us.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It's not been recognized yet in all parts of the country... in some it is not recognized by the US Constitution - that is the authoritative interpretation, so are you of the view that no such right truly exists in those parts of the country? Just trying to square your view of rights with that of gay marriage.
    In a few months...likely June, it'll all be academic - as SCOTUS is going to rule in favor of legal same sex marriage nationwide.

    In the words of Supreme Court Justice Scalia: "Argle-bargle...it's inevitable"!

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It's not been recognized yet in all parts of the country... in some it is not recognized by the US Constitution - that is the authoritative interpretation, so are you of the view that no such right truly exists in those parts of the country? Just trying to square your view of rights with that of gay marriage.
    The "right" exists, even if it isn't recognized yet by everyone to apply in this situation. Even after the SCOTUS rules on this, almost certainly recognizing the right to same sex marriage throughout the country, there will be people who do not agree.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The "right" exists, even if it isn't recognized yet by everyone to apply in this situation. Even after the SCOTUS rules on this, almost certainly recognizing the right to same sex marriage throughout the country, there will be people who do not agree.
    Therefore it's not true that "rights do not truly exist unless they are recognized" - unless you're of the opinion that so long as someone, somewhere recognizes the right it exists (a very strange position).

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Ok, but here's where you run into trouble for your statement. The 14th isn't just some one size fits all amendment, there are degrees of what the government must show. In this case, it has been established, even by Walker that SSM requires rational basis, and it has been shown, regardless of whether you agree, that by states amending their constitutions to place limits on marriage, they are by definition rational on their face.
    If "it was enacted" passes rational basis, then rational basis isn't a test in the first place.



    Walker didn't like that, even though he knew it, so what he did was invent gender as the basis for SSM, not sexuality. The lawyers in opposition, and since in many court cases have followed the Prop 8 guide and have argued rational basis.
    States are defining marriage as between a man and a woman. This is clearly a distinction of gender.

    How this reflects upon your statement that people are afforded rights by collective compromise seems to be inconsistent with the way this is all playing out. It doesn't seem like there's any compromising going on, instead we have judges changing laws, laws voted on by the people, not because of tyranny of the will of the people, but because they simply don't like them.
    Just say "activist judges." It says what you want to say in fewer words. It's the exact same handwave everyone else is trying to make, and it is bogus. They aren't doing it "because they don't like them." They are doing it because their best judgment says the laws are a violation of the 14th amendment.

    The constitution is the supreme law of the land. It doesn't matter how many people vote for a law. If it violates the constitution, it violates the constitution.

    Judges are writing law in America today, and to do so, they're changing the perception of the argument, by ignoring that the petitioners are petitioning not based on their gender, but on the basis of their sexual orientation. By invoking gender (Of which those against Prop 8 did not even argue in any of their briefs but Walker gifted them) Walker created a distinction without a distinction for the sake of raising the level of scrutiny to be considered by the court. That is NOT compromise, it isn't a collective, in fact, what Walker and seemingly every single judge thereafter has done, is effectively ignore the process by which rights are afforded, and or limited in the US, by manipulating the level of review. The real question that needs to be answered is: What is the nature of the SSM debate, and how should it be reviewed, and viewed by not only our judges, but by its citizens, and leaders?


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    The issue is whether or not your moral disapproval is basis alone for denying someone else a choice.

    The answer is no.

    Same-sex marriage bans do not pass the rational basis test. "It was enacted" isn't good enough.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Good lord there seems to be a lot of these threads around her. Not sure how many i will read all the way through or participate in because bigotry of this nature to me is appalling. Its some of the lowest forms of people we have in america right down there with murders, rapists and women/child abusers.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    Good lord there seems to be a lot of these threads around her. Not sure how many i will read all the way through or participate in because bigotry of this nature to me is appalling. Its some of the lowest forms of people we have in america right down there with murders, rapists and women/child abusers.
    Bigotry: "Intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself."

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Bigotry: "Intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself."
    Very good that's one of the definitions of bigotry. Do you have a point?
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    It's a little of topic and I know I'm probably going to regret this since I find bigotry so appalling but, are there people here that truly believe gays should be denied equal rights? And if so please state what you think your best justifiable reason is.
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