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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Most of it, the most important parts, they did get right. People should be treated fairly under the law, have rights recognized. They just didn't logically come from any creator. It isn't their fault. At that time, atheism was basically unheard of. The logic of the time concluded that God gave us everything.
    I think it is noteworthy that the Declaration says "Creator" rather than "God." The Creator can be interpreted as one's parents, nature, the planet or the universe.. I take the phrase to mean that as humans we all intrinsically deserve human rights, not that a supernatural being decided to give Americans rights that are not given to everyone.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I think it is noteworthy that the Declaration says "Creator" rather than "God." The Creator can be interpreted as one's parents, nature, the planet or the universe.. I take the phrase to mean that we are all intrinsically entitled to human rights, not that a supernatural being decided to give Americans rights that are not given to everyone.
    The entire point though was that people do take that to mean "God" and that this makes the basis for rights religious in nature.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    So... what is the proof you want again? You keep asking for it, but I'm getting the impression that you have no idea what you are asking for.

    Oh, and for maybe the fourth time, forget God in this, it works without religion, if you understand the concept.
    How do you know that the rights are from god? No recorded instance of god making the decree. Just mankind speaking for their god.

    So, if we forget about god, then we have no god given rights, right?
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    So... what is the proof you want again? You keep asking for it, but I'm getting the impression that you have no idea what you are asking for.

    Oh, and for maybe the fourth time, forget God in this, it works without religion, if you understand the concept.
    Tell us ONE RIGHT that you get "organically" for being a living creature on this planet, and tell us how you get it.

    There is no right. Nature doesn't give a frack about rights.

    Rights come from forming together in a civilization and deciding what rights we will grant one another.

    Before civilization? nada. nothing. Nature's a bitch.

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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Why do you feel the need to call me a bigot?
    Anyone who seeks to support state sponsored discrimination is a bigot. Sorry. I can't sugar coat it.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The entire point though was that people do take that to mean "God" and that this makes the basis for rights religious in nature.
    I suspect that some of the founders believed that and some didn't, and the word Creator was chosen as compromise.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I suspect that some of the founders believed that and some didn't, and the word Creator was chosen as compromise.
    It is more about what people are using the DOI for now though, not what the Founders did or didn't think at that time. Others are interpreting it to mean "God" then using that to justify that rights are based in religion and that this should be represented in our laws or that this is why certain rights, such as being able to marry someone of the same sex, aren't really rights because they believe their God would never endorse such a right.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Could you possibly be more dense

    "It is ORDERED and DECLARED that ALA CONST ART. I, 36.03 (2006) and ALA . CODE 1975 30-1-19 are unconstitutional because they violate the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. "

    Yes, the law is unconstitutional, therefore any judge or state legislator violating that law is doing so illegally and will be held accountable. That's it!
    I've tried multiple times to explain this, but you still don't get it. Nothing is playing out as if "any judge or state legislator violating that law is doing so illegally and will be held accountable," but you still don't get it. Even most of the media is now starting to explain this correctly, but you still don't get it.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The right to equal protection however is recognized by the US Constitution, and Alabama is part of the USA and bound by that Constitution.
    It's not been recognized yet in all parts of the country... in some it is not recognized by the US Constitution - that is the authoritative interpretation, so are you of the view that no such right truly exists in those parts of the country? Just trying to square your view of rights with that of gay marriage.

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