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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    These judges are unelected specifically so their decisions will be based on the law and the constitution rather than worrying about their re-election. I know you personally would rather have judges change their decision based on election math and corporate donations, but not me.

    Maybe I am weird, but I think individual liberty is more important than your tyranny of the people. Is there a reason you didn't respond to that point?


    And what about your interpretation? Why is yours sacrosanct?
    (bold mine)

    Looks like my point about the rights of gay people is going to get ignored too.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    My point was I *perhaps erroneously* assumed those lower judges are elected on a local level. And by doing their job, they would be voted out by the bigots that put this guy in power to begin with.
    They could very well be, but they wouldn't then be in contempt of court, disbarred and sued

    Besides, not of them are qualified to be in the position to begin with, if they have no respect for federal court rulings and can only cite the bible

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    (bold mine)

    Looks like my point about the rights of gay people is going to get ignored too.
    Libertarians that abandon individual liberty just because 53% of the population disapproves should really call themselves something else.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Have you read any American history?

    We're the UNITED STATES, emphasis on STATES. The way things are now, we ought to change the name of our country to the American Federal Republic.

    What the hell does a state do anymore? I'll tell you, what we have become is NOT what the original founders had in mind.
    "American Federal Republic"

    I'm ok with that.

    States rights don't work when they are discriminating against people in violation of the federal constitution.

    Federal rights supersede states rights.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    since cases like Loving in the 1960s

    And the cases where prisoners got the right to marry as part of their constitutional rights

    States can control things like how the prisoner ceremony happens, but even Charles Manson has the right to marry

    Once marriage is defined as an inalienable right, states can't frack it up anymore by discriminating against couples based on race or gender. Or prison status
    impossible to be right, because it requires an action by government.

    its a privilege, because privileges requires an action....not rights

    but i agree, if the privilege is granted, then it must be granted to all

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Judge Moore wants a theocracy.

    Too bad for him.

    Talibornagain nutcase.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I don't know if, in most cases, voters pay that much attention to judges. But if someone decides to put a lot of publicity around it then yes, it's possible they'd be voted out. For following the federal constitution...that would suck
    All the competition would have to do in alabama is run a 30 sec radio spot or put an ad in "Segregation Forever" alleging that "Judge X allowed degenerates to marry in his county in defiance of the state constitution" with no mention of the federal court ruling, and that will be curtains for the judge

    This is the huge problem i have with democracy with no limitations

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That was not his reasoning, no. Here is his dissent in full: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...4a840_gol1.pdf. What should be noted is that he does make very good points in his dissent. If SCOTUS should rule against SSM, then it does leave the states with kinda a mess. It might very well have been better to grant the stay and let things be more fully resolved before the state starts allowing SSM.
    His point would be valid if there were any remote possibility of an "If", but there's not. The one circuit case they took was the one that ruled against SSM. That's no coincidence

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    While certainly possible, it is by no means guaranteed why. Further, if it is such a signal, it is entirely inappropriate. I am as pro-SSM as you can be, but I do kinda think that a wait of a few more months is not going to kill any one and prevent a possible mess. Thomas does a good job of explaining why a stay would have been reasonable.
    This is pretty ignorant. If even once person is unable to visit their partner in the hospital, or dies before able to marry, in the coming months, it will be one too many. The only injustice is the court waited this long. Should've been dealt with back in 2008

    I get what you're saying that the oral arguments in the spring will be rendered meaningless showmanship, because the justices already decided how they'll vote, but in truth, this issue has been argued to death and there's no need for any more.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    "American Federal Republic"

    I'm ok with that.

    States rights don't work when they are discriminating against people in violation of the federal constitution.

    Federal rights supersede states rights.
    What about when the Feds discriminate against individual rights, who do you appeal to then?

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