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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Federal court told state court what to do. For now, one judge. Other judges will be sued and told the same thing if they continue not to issue licenses.
    It's like their children. "Well you didn't tell each of us to follow the laws/rules, only that person."
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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    What does an order forcing a single judge working in an executive role in issuing a marriage license to a single couple have to do with showing that "federal court rulings are not binding on state courts?"
    Seriously? This is truly like dealing with children. "Well you only told Billy not to pull Suzy's hair. You didn't tell him he couldn't pull Mandy's hair or that Tim couldn't pull Suzy's hair." Children.
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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    What does an order forcing a single judge working in an executive role in issuing a marriage license to a single couple have to do with showing that "federal court rulings are not binding on state courts?"
    It has everything to do with it. Feds told Moore to pound sand.

    As to your "a single couple" -- you obviously didn't read the Order. Note the words "et al" in the Case Order.

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    "The Plaintiffs report that they all feel demeaned and humiliated by Alabama’s refusal to treat them equally. (Doc. 43-4, ¶ 3; Doc. 43-5, ¶ 3; Doc. 43-6, ¶ 3; Doc. 43-7, ¶ 3, Hearing Exhibits

    ---> Plaintiff James Strawser has serious health issues that will require surgery that will put his life at risk.
    . When Strawser had surgery in the past, he signed a form giving his partner, John Humphrey, legal power over Strawser’s medical decisions, but the hospital refused to honor that document because under Alabama law Humphrey was not a spouse or family member.

    (---> Plaintiff Meredith Miller wants to marry her partner, Anna Lisa Carmichael to have the legal protections and security that only marriage provides. Each day that they are excluded from marriage, they must deal with uncertainty about whether they will be treated as family members if they experience a life crisis or emergency.
    Miller and Carmichael hope to have children but are concerned that if they are not married their children will get the message that their family is not as worthy of dignity and respect as other families in Alabama and that their children will be denied important legal protections that come with marriage.

    ---> Plaintiff Kristy Simmons wants to marry her partner, Marshay Safford, to have a legal family relationship and build stability for their children. Each day that they are not permitted to marry they experience uncertainty about whether they will be treated as family members in the event of an emergency. ( The legal protections of marriage are especially important to Simmons because she has a rare disorder called Wegener’s Granulomatosis that causes her blood vessels to become inflamed and can damage her major organs.

    ---> Plaintiff Robert Povilat wants to marry his partner, Milton Persinger, in order to protect one another and have the legal protections and security that only marriage provides. (Doc. 43-7, ¶ 3, Hearing Exhibit 4). Mr. Povilat has survived two bouts of prostate cancer and fears that he could be diagnosed with cancer again."


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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It's like their children. "Well you didn't tell each of us to follow the laws/rules, only that person."
    good analogy!

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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Seriously? This is truly like dealing with children. "Well you only told Billy not to pull Suzy's hair. You didn't tell him he couldn't pull Mandy's hair or that Tim couldn't pull Suzy's hair." Children.
    It's doubtful that the other probate judges will hold out, but technically they could because they are not subject to the court ruling unless they are enjoined by the court.

    It's almost 10am, it seems we should know by now if all probate judges are now issuing license.

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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It's like their children. "Well you didn't tell each of us to follow the laws/rules, only that person."

    thats actually a really good analogy

    but you left out the stomping thier, holding thier breath and temper tantrum part
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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    It has everything to do with it. Feds told Moore to pound sand.

    As to your "a single couple" -- you obviously didn't read the Order. Note the words "et al" in the Case Order.

    A snippet:


    "The Plaintiffs report that they all feel demeaned and humiliated by Alabama’s refusal to treat them equally. (Doc. 43-4, ¶ 3; Doc. 43-5, ¶ 3; Doc. 43-6, ¶ 3; Doc. 43-7, ¶ 3, Hearing Exhibits

    ---> Plaintiff James Strawser has serious health issues that will require surgery that will put his life at risk.
    . When Strawser had surgery in the past, he signed a form giving his partner, John Humphrey, legal power over Strawser’s medical decisions, but the hospital refused to honor that document because under Alabama law Humphrey was not a spouse or family member.

    (---> Plaintiff Meredith Miller wants to marry her partner, Anna Lisa Carmichael to have the legal protections and security that only marriage provides. Each day that they are excluded from marriage, they must deal with uncertainty about whether they will be treated as family members if they experience a life crisis or emergency.
    Miller and Carmichael hope to have children but are concerned that if they are not married their children will get the message that their family is not as worthy of dignity and respect as other families in Alabama and that their children will be denied important legal protections that come with marriage.

    ---> Plaintiff Kristy Simmons wants to marry her partner, Marshay Safford, to have a legal family relationship and build stability for their children. Each day that they are not permitted to marry they experience uncertainty about whether they will be treated as family members in the event of an emergency. ( The legal protections of marriage are especially important to Simmons because she has a rare disorder called Wegener’s Granulomatosis that causes her blood vessels to become inflamed and can damage her major organs.

    ---> Plaintiff Robert Povilat wants to marry his partner, Milton Persinger, in order to protect one another and have the legal protections and security that only marriage provides. (Doc. 43-7, ¶ 3, Hearing Exhibit 4). Mr. Povilat has survived two bouts of prostate cancer and fears that he could be diagnosed with cancer again."


    1:14-cv-00424 #55 - Order
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    My bad, the order only forces a single judge to issue marriage licenses to four couples.

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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Federal court told state court what to do. For now, one judge. Other judges will be sued and told the same thing if they continue not to issue licenses.
    In issuing licenses, probate judges are working in an executive, not judicial role. You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    In issuing licenses, probate judges are working in an executive, not judicial role. You simply have no idea what you're talking about.
    Says the guy who didn't even read the Judge' Order.

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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    What does an order forcing a single judge working in an executive role in issuing a marriage license to a single couple have to do with showing that "federal court rulings are not binding on state courts?"
    1:14-cv-00424 #55 - Order

    It is ORDERED and DECLARED that ALA CONST ART. I, § 36.03 (2006) and ALA . CODE 1975 § 30-1-19 are unconstitutional because they violate the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
    This injunction binds Judge Don Davis and all his officers, agents, servants and employees, and others in active concert or participation with any of them, who would seek to enforce the marriage laws of Alabama which prohibit or fail to recognize same-sex marriage.
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