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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    From NYT:

    "In a relatively straightforward order, Judge Granade restated her finding that the state’s ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional and concluded that if the couples before her “take all steps that are required in the normal course of business as a prerequisite to issuing a marriage license to opposite-sex couples, Judge Davis may not deny them a license on the ground that plaintiffs constitute same-sex couples.”

    Lawyers for the plaintiffs said they would not hesitate to bring legal action in other counties if probate judges continued to deny licenses to same-sex couples"


    So much for moore's vaunted legal explanation that federal court rulings are not binding on state courts

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Bigots would destroy the lives and have been destroying the lives of LGBT for millenia. I will shed no tears for them when fined for violating equal protection laws.

    btw, if you never had a job with duties and customers you disliked you are definitely in the minority
    No, I have never had a job I disliked, but then again, I am not an angry, self righteous control freak.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Well I would have hoped that you'd learned something, but by all means, go back to telling us about how Moore is going to be removed and disbarred for his (completely legal) actions, how the Supreme court in denying a stay says that same-sex licenses must be issued in Alabama, how anyone refusing to issue same-sex licenses is breaking the law and is in contempt of court, and how the judges decision "overturns" state law and is binding statewide.
    ruh roh: Chief Alabama judge would defy Supreme Court in gay marriage ruling - CNN.com

    "Washington (CNN)The chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court insisted Thursday he will continue to resist efforts to implement same-sex marriage in his state, even if the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage later this year.

    Chief Justice Roy Moore likened an eventual U.S. Supreme Court ruling in favor of same-sex marriage to the Dred Scott ruling and Plessy v. Ferguson, two 19th century Supreme Court rulings that upheld slavery and segregation, respectively.

    "If it's an unlawful mandate you can refuse to mandate it. You can dissent to the United States Supreme Court," Moore said in a testy interview with CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day." "I will follow the law as I interpret it."


    Are you still going to defend this psycho? REALLY, marriage equality is akin to Dred Scott and he has the authority to defy supreme court rulings? Consider he's a ****ing judge, this sounds like treason to me

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/13/us...ling.html?_r=0
    U.S. Orders Alabama to License Gay Unions

    MOBILE, Ala. — A federal judge here ruled on Thursday that the local probate judge cannot refuse to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, potentially adding some clarity to a judicial quarrel that has roiled Alabama for most of a week.The order by Judge Callie V. S. Granade of Federal District Court came after a brief hearing and prompted cheers and crying in the halls of the probate court here, where several couples obtained licenses and were married before the license office closed. While Judge Granade had declared Alabama’s ban on same-sex marriage unconstitutional on Jan. 23, the chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, Roy S. Moore, insisted in his own order Sunday night that Judge Granade’s ruling did not apply to the state’s probate judges and directed them not to comply.

    The ruling on Thursday was the first in this case with a probate judge as a defendant — Judge Don Davis of Mobile County — and was seen by lawyers for the gay couples who brought the case as a clear signal to probate judges around the state what their duties were. In a relatively straightforward order, Judge Granade restated her finding that the state’s ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional and concluded that if the couples before her “take all steps that are required in the normal course of business as a prerequisite to issuing a marriage license to opposite-sex couples, Judge Davis may not deny them a license on the ground that plaintiffs constitute same-sex couples.”
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're not paying attention. The 14th wasn't applied to women until the 19th gave them equal constitutional footing.
    Which is pretty much what I said earlier. That they had to be made equal citizens which was done by the 19th giving them the right to vote. I said this the first time someone in this thread replied to me with "what about women" or "what about the 19th".

    There is however nothing in the 19th which actually states that through its enactment, women are now given equal constitutional footing or specifically the right to equal protection from the 14th. This is only interpreted, even by those who claim strict adherence to the Constitution under the original intent of each Amendment.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/13/us...ling.html?_r=0


    I love it!
    The bigots just keep HELPING equal rights, they can't help themselves
    Let this talibornagain theocrat form his own christian dictatorship. I hear Yemen is open for new government.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Are you still going to defend this psycho? REALLY, marriage equality is akin to Dred Scott and he has the authority to defy supreme court rulings? Consider he's a ****ing judge, this sounds like treason to me
    I will continue to explain the law and correcting misconceptions as I see them; whether or not you see that as "defending" anyone is entirely up to you.

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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    So much for moore's vaunted legal explanation that federal court rulings are not binding on state courts
    What does an order forcing a single judge working in an executive role in issuing a marriage license to a single couple have to do with showing that "federal court rulings are not binding on state courts?"

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Equality as a principle isn't limited to one policy like marriage either. You just don't get it

    It's the insistence that we are not a 2nd class and not inferior. Anything contrary to that, whether in uganda, whether marriage rights or hate speech, we will oppose thru various means
    I wasn't asking about equality as a principle, I asked specifically about the issue at hand, state recognition of marriage.

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    re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    What does an order forcing a single judge working in an executive role in issuing a marriage license to a single couple have to do with showing that "federal court rulings are not binding on state courts?"
    Federal court told state court what to do. For now, one judge. Other judges will be sued and told the same thing if they continue not to issue licenses.

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