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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Get it right, I'm for small FEDERAL government, restricted by the grants of power given it by Constitution only. You large government types always fail to recognize there is more than the federal government.
    Right. You support big state government trampling on individual liberty. I'm aware.

    And yes, no one can suppress something that does not exist.
    Yes, every single person in history wanting to restrict another's freedom has started with the claim that the other person doesn't have freedom. Black people didn't have the right to be free. Women didn't have the right to own property. Japanese-Americans didn't have the right of due process. Because if you were to say there is a right to marriage, your fighting tooth and nail against someone else's most personal, intimate choices would look awfully bad, wouldn't it?

    You'll forgive me if "restricting that action is justified because I say they don't have the right to it" isn't a compelling argument in of itself.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're not paying attention. The 14th wasn't applied to women until the 19th gave them equal constitutional footing.
    Yeah, and I'm going to make the wild statement that it was wrong to wait that long.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    "In 2003, during Moore's first term as Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, he refused to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments (which he had commissioned) from the Alabama Judicial Building despite orders to do so from a federal judge. On November 13, 2003, the Alabama Court of the Judiciary unanimously removed Moore from his post as Chief Justice.... Moore contended that federal judges who ruled against his actions consider "obedience of a court order superior to all other concerns, even the suppression of belief in the sovereignty of God."[1]..."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Oh, well then it must also an argument for forced castration. Castration makes anal sex impossible, as any of the left-wingers here will tell you. The wholesale reduction in the rate of anal sex reduces the spread of disease. Yet another state interest in forced castration of MSM.

    "compelling governmental interest" refers to matters of denying equal protection, not instituting barbaric crimes against humanity as you are suggesting here

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Right. You support big state government trampling on individual liberty. I'm aware.


    Yes, every single person in history wanting to restrict another's freedom has started with the claim that the other person doesn't have freedom. Black people didn't have the right to be free. Women didn't have the right to own property. Japanese-Americans didn't have the right of due process. Because if you were to say there is a right to marriage, your fighting tooth and nail against someone else's most personal, intimate choices would look awfully bad, wouldn't it?

    You'll forgive me if "restricting that action is justified because I say they don't have the right to it" isn't a compelling argument in of itself.
    You're entirely wrong in your little rant. I do not support a massive state government. And no, until the constitution was amended black folk did not have the right to be free, at least federally speaking. The same goes for women's rights. You are soooo wrong about the Japanese-American example. Despite your silly use of the hyphenation - they were fully American and that their rights weren't honored was fully down to the FEDERAL government and judicial misconduct.

    Claiming rights that do not exist is indeed a popular concept that you seem very comfortable with, but it also is not a valid argument.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yeah, and I'm going to make the wild statement that it was wrong to wait that long.
    Agreed, 100%. That black MEN had the right to vote and equal treatment a half century before women did is as great a shame as slavery.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, to bring black males into the fold. The 14th did not deal with sexuality or gender. It took another amendment to deal with gender. Thus far, no such amendment for sexual orientation.
    the 14th amendment does not mention race and has been applied to various groups, not just lgbt. It could even be used to 'protect' current majorities someday. For instance, hispanics will likely become the majority and white people may need protection from discrimination. The beauty in the amendment lies in the *principle* or don't you think equal protection is a good thing?

    Oh let me guess, it's only objectionable when it protects lgbt

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    the 14th amendment does not mention race and has been applied to various groups, not just lgbt. It could even be used to 'protect' current majorities someday. For instance, hispanics will likely become the majority and white people may need protection from discrimination. The beauty in the amendment lies in the *principle* or don't you think equal protection is a good thing?

    Oh let me guess, it's only objectionable when it protects lgbt
    No, I think ignoring intent leaves us wide open for this living constitution bullcrap. Want to add sexual orientation to the list, do it the right way, through constitutional amendment. Or hell, just do it the half right way and have the SCOTUS add sexual orientation to the list of protected classes (something they've refused to do).

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This another "statement of facts" that isn't actually a reason to ban same-sex marriage? Because it sure sounds like that.

    Inability to provide a reason to ban same-sex marriage seems like an awfully common phenomenon!
    Good thing then that it wasn't intended as "a reason to ban same-sex marriage."

    Why do you want to ban same-sex marriage?

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Get it right, I'm for small FEDERAL government, restricted by the grants of power given it by Constitution only. You large government types always fail to recognize there is more than the federal government.

    And yes, no one can suppress something that does not exist.
    Are you for equal rights? Size of a Govt is not relevant.
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