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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That we have suffered from a judicial rewrite of the Constitution and judicial misconduct now used as precedent does not mean I am wrong. It is simply a measure of how much liberty we're willing to sacrifice before we stand up and say enough.
    This judicial rewrite occurred during the era of the founding fathers.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    In that last, yeah I've seen that, we all have. Doesn't make ignoring original intent any more valid. And no on the first. Cite those unjust laws that were overturned using the 14th where it wasn't about race.
    Here you go:

    Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Reed v Reed - case concerning inheritance ruled that it was unconstitutional to have a law stating "males must be preferred to females" in such decisions.

    Mississippi University for Women v. Hogan - case involving single sex admission into college, not constitutional in a public school

    United States v Virginia - can't only allow men in the military academy

    These are just those that deal with equal protection. There have been others where the 14th was the main Amendment used in the ruling, including Lawrence v Texas.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    This judicial rewrite occurred during the era of the founding fathers.
    Indeed, opposed by said founding fathers. The court gave itself the power, went quiet until all the FFs were dead and then invoked their decision as precedent. Handy trick.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well we're not talking about Africa now are we? I was referring to the US and western societies, and it is a FACT, incontrovertible that if you stay away from homos and intravenous drug use, you have a statistically zero chance of getting HIV if you're a heterosexual, PERIOD!

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    Complete nonsense. Heterosexuals can and do give each other HIV.

    You have heterosexual sex with a woman had sex with an IV drug user in her past. She has a non zero chance of getting HIV as do you.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I turned it into an argument. I thought that was obvious. You aren't arguing that, but now I am.

    Still waiting on that legitimate state interest in banning same-sex marriage. But it doesn't exist, so I wont hold my breath.
    Certainly don't hold your breath for me, I don't believe same-sex marriages are being "banned."

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Here you go:

    Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Reed v Reed - case concerning inheritance ruled that it was unconstitutional to have a law stating "males must be preferred to females" in such decisions.

    Mississippi University for Women v. Hogan - case involving single sex admission into college, not constitutional in a public school

    United States v Virginia - can't only allow men in the military academy

    These are just those that deal with equal protection. There have been others where the 14th was the main Amendment used in the ruling, including Lawrence v Texas.
    Those were decided AFTER the 19th have brought women into protection. Before then, the 14th did not apply to them.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    So Rogue or anyone else confused about the subject of HIV transmission and risk factors, take this scenario to make easy for you to understand.

    Heterosexual man has sex with gay man.
    Uses a condom
    No alcohol no drugs
    Heterosexual man has a significant statistical chance of acquiring HIV due to breakage, or anal blood exchanged between them.

    Take the same scenario with heterosexual man has sex with heterosexual woman
    Uses a condom.
    No alcohol no drugs.
    Heterosexual man has statistically zero chance (Statistically zero does not mean zero, zero) of acquiring HIV even if the condom breaks and/or there is an exchange of vaginal fluids or anal bleeding.

    Does it make sense to you now, Rogue?

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    And that would still require the other person to have HIV. If the status of the person's health is unknown to you, then you are practicing unsafe sex, no matter if you have protection or not.

    Plus, which position is the guy in? If you are saying that the guy penetrating has the same potential as the guy being penetrating but only in the case of when he is having sex with a man but not a woman, then you are severely uneducated about how that works. Opposite sex couples can have anal sex.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Indeed, opposed by said founding fathers. The court gave itself the power, went quiet until all the FFs were dead and then invoked their decision as precedent. Handy trick.
    John Marshall was the one who gave the judicial branch the power you despise.

    And since John Marshall was a distant relative of Thomas Jefferson, I can safely say that he was a founding father.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes. Stand up and say "enough." Demand your right to suppress someone else's rights! That's real American values right there!
    With this "living constitution," they're only someone's rights until someone decides that they're not.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Those were decided AFTER the 19th have brought women into protection. Before then, the 14th did not apply to them.
    That's not what I was asked. Go back and look. You didn't reference the 19th, and some of those others had nothing to do with gender. Plenty of other decisions have been made based using the 14th that had to do with other characteristics, including citizenship or noncitizenship, blood relation vs adopted relation, ability to pay for defense, and others. The 14th extended the US Constitution as being applicable in whole to the states, meaning that if the federal government could not infringe upon a person's right due to the Constitution, then neither could the state government, whether this was religion, speech, due process, unreasonable search and seizure, cruel and unusual punishment, etc.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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