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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The "purpose and intent" of the 14th was to ensure that every citizen was treated equally under the law, even state laws.
    You mean like allowing women to vote in state elections?

    Why, then, did they pass the wholly uneccesary 19th?

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Obviously it doesn't, or we wouldn't have had many of the unjust and unfair laws overturned throughout the years. Guess what? Most people are quite fine with that fact so long as it is laws they consider unjust or unfair. The only time people whine about it is when the laws are something they support.
    In that last, yeah I've seen that, we all have. Doesn't make ignoring original intent any more valid. And no on the first. Cite those unjust laws that were overturned using the 14th where it wasn't about race.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You mean like allowing women to vote in state elections?

    Why, then, did they pass the wholly uneccesary 19th?
    Wasn't overturned by the 14th.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Certainly you agree that (at least in this country) the vast majority of new cases of AIDS are due to irresponsible behavior among men who engage in sex with other men?
    This is an argument for same-sex marriage.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    While it is important to recognize the feelings of that time, we are not bound by those "feelings" or even their intent, no matter how some may wish to believe we are.
    Which is the sentiment that has made "rule of law" meaningless.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it was aimed specifically at the racial problems we were experiencing at the time. And it doesn't matter one whit how many years have passed, original intent counts just as much with amendments as it does with the Constitution itself or ANY law for that matter.
    The original intent is obviously not solely related to race because they didn't use the word "race" in the 14th amendment. They said equal protection of the laws, not equal protection of the laws as related to race.

    Not that I give a **** what their intent was. It says equal protection of the laws. So we'll apply it to all of them.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This is an argument for same-sex marriage.
    It's not an argument at all, just a statement of fact.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It really doesn't. Not if you understand the purpose and intent of the 14th.
    I understand the purpose. You don't. You want it to apply narrowly, only to race. Don't know why you think unequal protection based on other characteristics was ever desired by anybody, and I don't know why you desire unequal protection. But I don't care.

    You are arguing against individual liberty and trying to twist the constitution to fit your belief. The original intent of the birth of this country was to stop people like you.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    So Rogue or anyone else confused about the subject of HIV transmission and risk factors, take this scenario to make easy for you to understand.

    Heterosexual man has sex with gay man.
    Uses a condom
    No alcohol no drugs
    Heterosexual man has a significant statistical chance of acquiring HIV due to breakage, or anal blood exchanged between them.

    Take the same scenario with heterosexual man has sex with heterosexual woman
    Uses a condom.
    No alcohol no drugs.
    Heterosexual man has statistically zero chance (Statistically zero does not mean zero, zero) of acquiring HIV even if the condom breaks and/or there is an exchange of vaginal fluids or anal bleeding.

    Does it make sense to you now, Rogue?

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It's not an argument at all, just a statement of fact.
    No, it's definitely an argument for same-sex marriage. Marriage promotes monogamy, as any of the right-wingers here will tell you. Monogamy reduces the spread of disease. Yet another state interest in promoting same-sex marriage.

    And we still don't have even a single legitimate state interest in defining marriage as between a man and a woman while excluding homosexual couples, failing to pass even the lowest tier of constitutional scrutiny under the 14th amendment.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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