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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The 14th amendment says nothing about gay marriage. If the federal court ruled that way, it's a loose "interpretation" as they are so fond of doing. Bend the constitution to fit whatever pet agenda you have that day.

    If gay marriage is constitutional, why didn't we have gay marriage immediately after the 14th amendment was ratified?

    The federal court is overstepping its bounds and trampling on state's rights in this case.
    Again....replace the word 'gay' with 'interracial' and see what happens.

    Then see how absurd you sound.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    why would you pity them at all? Doing their job entails following the *federal* court order. The Equality Alabama group is also giving them fair warning they will sue the judges personally and report them to the bar if they deny any marriage licenses.
    Doing their job entails following *both* state and federal court orders, and because the federal ruling is non-binding on Alabama state courts, there's the potential to be caught in the middle of a battle that can only be resolved by the SCOTUS.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The 14th amendment says equal protection under the law. If your assertion that the lack of specifics means it doesn't apply, then you're declaring the 14th amendment doesn't apply to anything. Is that your assertion?


    By this logic, no law has ever been unconstitutional unless a court instantly decided such. Interesting. So you now believe every single gun law is constitutional, right?


    No, it is not. The states are trampling on the rights of the individual, which apparently doesn't bother you. Why do you throw away individual liberty so easily?
    That gay marriage is just NOW coming in to play reflects cultural shifts, and it goes to show that the constitution can be interpreted BOTH to include and exclude gay marriage.

    Gay marriage has been illegal for years, and that was the law of the land, and we had the 14th amendment. So what changed?

    Activism, and cultural shifts.

    So, fine. But let the activists stay in their own damn states. Alabama wants nothing to do with you, and it will only come back to bite you.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Again....replace the word 'gay' with 'interracial' and see what happens.

    Then see how absurd you sound.
    Maybe I should be allowed to marry my horse. I mean, where do you draw the line? And, more importantly, WHO gets to decide where that line is drawn?

    In my opinion, I'd just as soon have my local state government/court system make that decision. I have no interest in Washington career politicians, most of whom have never stepped foot in Texas, deciding what our local laws need to be.

    It's not their place.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That gay marriage is just NOW coming in to play reflects cultural shifts, and it goes to show that the constitution can be interpreted BOTH to include and exclude gay marriage.

    Gay marriage has been illegal for years, and that was the law of the land, and we had the 14th amendment. So what changed?
    So you think every single gun law currently in existence is constitutional, right? Because they haven't been ruled unconstitutional.

    The reason that same-sex marriage has not been previously ruled unconstitutional is that the laws haven't been challenged before.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No magic. When this nation was founded, states ran the show and the federal government was a rather small entity concerned mainly with national defense.

    Over the years, states have ceded more and more power to the federal government. It began with a power grab by the Supreme Court (until the 1800's, it was NOT the case that the Supreme Court could declare laws of congress "unconstitutional.") The trend has continued and continues to this day.

    In my opinion, we've gone too far.
    Huh. I'm more interested in the merits and constitutionality of each law on a case by case basis. Wanting a state to be able to strip individual citizens of their rights out of a sense of nostalgia isn't a very good foundation for any position.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Again....replace the word 'gay' with 'interracial' and see what happens.

    Then see how absurd you sound.
    Can't on the 14th, "interracial" was what it was about. It wasn't however about homosexuality.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Huh. I'm more interested in the merits and constitutionality of each law on a case by case basis. Wanting a state to be able to strip individual citizens of their rights out of a sense of nostalgia isn't a very good foundation for any position.
    Not out of a sense of nostalgia. Out of a sense of mind your own damn business. Don't come in to a southern state with your DC activism bullcrap, forcing your progressive ideals on a population that doesn't want them.

    Live and let live.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Maybe I should be allowed to marry my horse. I mean, where do you draw the line? And, more importantly, WHO gets to decide where that line is drawn?

    In my opinion, I'd just as soon have my local state government/court system make that decision. I have no interest in Washington career politicians, most of whom have never stepped foot in Texas, deciding what our local laws need to be.

    It's not their place.

    When a large contingent of people and sentient horses protest their civil rights being infringed, I think we will seriously have to consider that.

    I'm sure the people of Alabama would have appreciated their local government to decide about interracial marriage and having integrated schools. But that wouldnt be right, would it?
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Can't on the 14th, "interracial" was what it was about. It wasn't however about homosexuality.
    Again, go back to the post and replace the words. You'' note that interracial marriage was illegal about a century after the 14th was passed.
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