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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Already answered, and hardly a "doozy" - it's just a simple fact that district court decisions are not binding on state courts.
    Well, most of the Constitutional Law Professors in the country disagree with you. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, we are the United States, but the emphasis is no longer on the states, a fact that was taken care of well over a century ago in this conflict known to us as the Civil War. That is the main thing the Civil War was about, placing the federal powers above the states' when it comes to particularly individual rights of the people of those states. It is when we became "the United States" as a country, not "the united states" as a group of state. It is why we say the United States "is" rather than "are".
    Lots of folks, especially those in Alabama, either have forgotten the Civil War or choose to ignore the consequences, which they managed to do for about a hundred years after its conclusion.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You need to realize that the important issue is not SSM, it is the federal government over stepping their authority. That needs to stop. SSM is not worth having a violent uprising over, an all powerful federal government is. Certainly not the first option, but at some point it becomes the only option. We did it before, hopefully we won't have to do it again.
    And of course that's the argument the racists and the segregationists made about Brown v. Board of Education and all of the other ways the south was brought kicking and screaming into the 20th century. It's a new century now, but apparently the bigots still haven't learned their lesson.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You need to realize that you are wrong. Without the SCOTUS making these decisions, no matter what decisions they are, the US Constitution means pretty much squat. Who would enforce it? Who exactly would determine what was or wasn't constitutional? Can't say it would be the voters/elected officials, since they would be the ones putting the laws into place to begin with. Every law would automatically be constitutional.

    We don't have "an all powerful federal government". Especially on this issue. We have a branch of the federal government keeping state governments in check and preventing them from violating the rights of individual US citizens.

    I've always believed one of the biggest differences between whether people support individual liberty or state power is in whether they consider themselves a citizen of the US first and their state second or their state first and the US second. There are a lot of people of each.


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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, most of the Constitutional Law Professors in the country disagree with you. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
    Except that they don't, but hey don't let that stop you from making things up.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Without the SCOTUS making these decisions, no matter what decisions they are, the US Constitution means pretty much squat. Who would enforce it?
    I didn't say the SCOTUS can't take cases on Constitutionality. Who would enforce it? That's the problem. Who is enforcing the Constitution now? Seems to me that nobody is, or just barely, if at all.

    That's why Obama can run around threatening Congress that they better make a law that he wants, or he'll do it himself. Absolutely a separation of powers issue. But he doesn't care, who is going to stop him? No one on the left and very few republicans. He is abusing the system.

    The Founders just assumed that if the President tried to take Congress's powers, that they would stop him. They never thought that they would just lay down like these idiots. So we are left with no one to stop this stuff.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You need to realize that the important issue is not SSM, it is the federal government over stepping their authority. That needs to stop. SSM is not worth having a violent uprising over, an all powerful federal government is. Certainly not the first option, but at some point it becomes the only option. We did it before, hopefully we won't have to do it again.
    So you would rebel against a government powerful enough to protect the rights of people you don't like? When you "did it before", it was people rebelling because they didn't want a government to protect any rights for black people. Maybe you should pick something better to rebel over.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And of course that's the argument the racists and the segregationists made about Brown v. Board of Education and all of the other ways the south was brought kicking and screaming into the 20th century. It's a new century now, but apparently the bigots still haven't learned their lesson.
    Even if it is motivated by racism, that does not give the federal government the right to violate the Constitution. Do you understand that? It seems that you don't from your post.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So you would rebel against a government powerful enough to protect the rights of people you don't like? When you "did it before", it was people rebelling because they didn't want a government to protect any rights for black people. Maybe you should pick something better to rebel over.
    I'm referring to the American Revolution, I can't pick a better one than that. Sometimes, it seems that the left can't get skin color off their minds. You should learn to look beyond skin color.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Even if it is motivated by racism, that does not give the federal government the right to violate the Constitution. Do you understand that? It seems that you don't from your post.
    the fed isnt violating the constitution in this case at all, its up holding it, so your strawman fails
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