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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's where you're wrong. The supreme court isn't granted the power to decide the constitutionality of the laws written by the legislature. If you disagree with that, go find the section of the constitution in which that power is expressly granted to it.

    The judiciary grabbed power that was never intended for it.

    The original intent of the supreme court was to settle international and inter-state disputes.


    Article 3, Section 2 - US CONSTITUTION (outlines the powers of the supreme court as granted by the constitution)

    The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;
    •to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;
    •to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;
    •to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;
    •to Controversies between two or more States;
    •between a State and Citizens of another State;
    •between Citizens of different States;
    •between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.


    That's it. I don't see anything in there about "judicial review." That's a power the court granted itself after a massive power grab in the 1800's.
    A "power grab" that the majority is perfectly content with allowing them to keep due to the fact that it protects our individual rights from both the state and federal government. There is no other way for the people to non-violently stop the government from infringing on rights or violating the US Constitution, especially if it is the people in government who are trying to infringe upon our rights.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Actually, yes.

    The people elected Obama. The people elected the congress. Together, they passed a bill. If the people don't like that, they can elect new congressmen and a new president.

    I would rather have the People make decisions I disagree with than have power taken away from the people by robed judges with powdered wigs, who were not elected and are unaccountable for their actions.

    Funny enough, even Obama agrees with me. Or, at least he did back in 2012 when he called the supreme court "an unelected group of people."
    Which then makes the Constitution itself nothing more than a piece of paper, useless to us and to protecting our rights.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I was thinking about my own case of when I went to get married, and I would be pissed if this went on for more than a few days. Some people are limited on how much time they have to get married and such delays based solely on something like this, which is in violation of a federal order, deserve for those making these decisions to face some punishment and to have to be held accountable for anyone who is financially impacted solely on this decision which is made to violate rights. I hope there are some opposite sex couples who join the suit as well.
    Yeah its terrible many people made plans around the federal ruling and its such an injustice to see some of these places try this . . . there will be consequences and rightfully so
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Yeah its terrible many people made plans around the federal ruling and its such an injustice to see some of these places try this . . . there will be consequences and rightfully so
    Don't get me wrong, I am already pissed that they would just deny it to same sex couples and the bigotry that involves to do such a thing, but I can see how some opposite sex couples who simply feel "it isn't affecting me" could feel much more inclined to say "it is now affecting me, and it is the people who are trying to deny same sex couples the right to marry who are doing it" over this if they are having to delay their own weddings or finding issues getting their licenses just because some people want to be douchebags.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I am already pissed that they would just deny it to same sex couples and the bigotry that involves to do such a thing, but I can see how some opposite sex couples who simply feel "it isn't affecting me" could feel much more inclined to say "it is now affecting me, and it is the people who are trying to deny same sex couples the right to marry who are doing it" over this if they are having to delay their own weddings or finding issues getting their licenses just because some people want to be douchebags.
    and you and ALL americans have every right to be pissed

    equal rights effects us all and the majority get that

    Id love to see how quick most of these bigots would cry if thier rights were infringed on like this, its so hypocritical as an ameircan to not care about equal rights, its shameful
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is not an issue to make such an "uprising" about because it will lead to a very rude awakening for those who want to believe that the majority or any significant portion of the people want the states, any state, to challenge the federal government over this. They will face more backlash than they may want to believe. The majority of young people, in large amounts, even young Republicans, support same sex marriage being legal. The majority of the opposition to same sex marriage being legal is older people. This gives the supporters of making same sex marriage a clear advantage in any violent uprising against the federal government solely based on this case.
    You need to realize that the important issue is not SSM, it is the federal government over stepping their authority. That needs to stop. SSM is not worth having a violent uprising over, an all powerful federal government is. Certainly not the first option, but at some point it becomes the only option. We did it before, hopefully we won't have to do it again.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    1.)You need to realize that the important issue is not SSM, it is the federal government over stepping their authority. That needs to stop.
    2.) SSM is not worth having a violent uprising over, an all powerful federal government is.
    3.) Certainly not the first option, but at some point it becomes the only option.
    4.) We did it before, hopefully we won't have to do it again.
    1.) the fed isnt overstepping anythign though they are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing, protecting the constitution and individual rights. In fact it was the states over stepping and the fed fixed it just like the system was design for.
    2.) equal rights is in fact worth that but nobody is threatening that over equal rights.
    if people are threatening a violent uprising in opposition to equal rights . . **** em' . . .let them try and if they live it will be in jail cells
    3.) again see #2
    4.) who is we? lol and any again any oppressor of equal rights are more than welcome to challenge it, they will lose
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Incorrect. District courts have the power to decide matters of Federal law. That's their job. Higher courts hear appeals to those decisions. The district court's ruling is law until overturned.
    District court decisions are non-binding on state courts. I'll keep repeating myself until it sinks in or people learn to research things for themselves rather than pulling opinions out of their arses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Further you do not have to be a party to an action to be held in contempt. It depends entirely on the wording of the order which reads in part:

    The bolded part would seem to apply to any state officer.
    No, it does not, as the judge herself has already explained in dismissing contempt complaints earlier this week.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You need to realize that the important issue is not SSM, it is the federal government over stepping their authority. That needs to stop. SSM is not worth having a violent uprising over, an all powerful federal government is. Certainly not the first option, but at some point it becomes the only option. We did it before, hopefully we won't have to do it again.
    You need to realize that you are wrong. Without the SCOTUS making these decisions, no matter what decisions they are, the US Constitution means pretty much squat. Who would enforce it? Who exactly would determine what was or wasn't constitutional? Can't say it would be the voters/elected officials, since they would be the ones putting the laws into place to begin with. Every law would automatically be constitutional.

    We don't have "an all powerful federal government". Especially on this issue. We have a branch of the federal government keeping state governments in check and preventing them from violating the rights of individual US citizens.

    I've always believed one of the biggest differences between whether people support individual liberty or state power is in whether they consider themselves a citizen of the US first and their state second or their state first and the US second. There are a lot of people of each.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No. The Supreme Court has repeatedly clarified this.
    Lol. This is just getting ridiculous. The Supreme Court would have done no such thing because it's nonsense.

    Do you at least understand that the decision of one district court is not binding on another?
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