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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The 14th amendment says equal protection under the law. If your assertion that the lack of specifics means it doesn't apply, then you're declaring the 14th amendment doesn't apply to anything. Is that your assertion?


    By this logic, no law has ever been unconstitutional unless a court instantly decided such. Interesting. So you now believe every single gun law is constitutional, right?


    No, it is not. The states are trampling on the rights of the individual, which apparently doesn't bother you.
    Why do you throw away individual liberty so easily?


    Some people in the USA would like to get the government off of Wall Street's back and into every American bedroom,controlling everyone's private life.

    Not going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That gay marriage is just NOW coming in to play reflects cultural shifts, and it goes to show that the constitution can be interpreted BOTH to include and exclude gay marriage.

    Gay marriage has been illegal for years, and that was the law of the land, and we had the 14th amendment. So what changed?

    Activism, and cultural shifts.

    So, fine. But let the activists stay in their own damn states.
    Alabama wants nothing to do with you, and it will only come back to bite you.


    Alabama and the Confederate States of America lost the U.S. Civil War and they have to do what the Supreme Court tells them to do just like the rest of the USA.

    Deal with it.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Ahh, an appeal to authority. Awesome. So the courts disagree, therefore I'm wrong.

    Using your logic, slavery was justified in the early 1800's because the courts upheld it and it was legal. So which is it? Are the courts almighty or aren't they?

    Personally, I hate living in a jurocracy. I prefer to let the people govern themselves, as opposed to an unelected judge "interpreting" the constitution however his agenda sees fit.
    But maybe I'm weird.


    You may not be weird but you are on the losing side of this argument. Same-sex marriage will be legal all over the USA in the near future.

    Wait and see.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    "American Federal Republic"

    I'm ok with that.

    States rights don't work when they are discriminating against people in violation of the federal constitution.

    Federal rights supersede states rights.


    Anyone who doubts that needs to check the results of the U.S. Civil War which settled that question.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Alright, I want to run naked through Times Square.
    It's illegal. However, as a nudist, this infringes on my individual liberties. Right?


    Who's stopping you? Give it and a try and see what happens.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Again, marriage is a contract, and contract law is the province of the state, not the federal.
    And contract law is still subject to the equal protection clause, hence the actual question before the court instead of this red herring of definitions you bring up in every single thread.

    SCOTUS is addressing two questions and two questions only. You ignored both. You can keep saying that marriage only means between a man and a woman, but the question is whether or not the state is allowed to operate using that definition in contract law.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    But it is illegal.
    I would get arrested.
    How do you square that circle?


    That would be your problem. Deal with it when it happens.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And contract law is still subject to the equal protection clause, hence the actual question before the court instead of this red herring of definitions you bring up in every single thread.

    SCOTUS is addressing two questions and two questions only. You ignored both. You can keep saying that marriage only means between a man and a woman, but the question is whether or not the state is allowed to operate using that definition in contract law.
    Again, the "equal protection" clause simply does not apply in this situation: http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-con...post1064246097.
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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Anyone in Alabama refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses right now is in violation of the law. This bull**** about holding off "for clarification?" Just that. Bull****. There is no source of possible confusion, the Supreme Court has been incredibly clear and incredibly patient with these people. Next step is charges of contempt and ever-increasing fines until compliance. Possible disbarment of judges who continue to throw a tantrum, replacing them with someone who will follow the law.
    Good luck with that. You can't charge any of these judges with contempt of court because they were not a party to the case. You can bring a separate action and force their hand that way, but as for now all this talk of disbarment is baseless.

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    Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Refusal to comply with the supreme court. Again.

    The law is clear, the issue is decided. Same-sex marriage licenses must be issued in Alabama. The Supreme Court of the United States says so. The only avenue at this point is amending the US constitution, or a later Supreme Court ruling in a reversal. (both are pipe dreams at this stage) It's over.

    Anyone in Alabama refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses right now is in violation of the law. This bull**** about holding off "for clarification?" Just that. Bull****. There is no source of possible confusion, the Supreme Court has been incredibly clear and incredibly patient with these people. Next step is charges of contempt and ever-increasing fines until compliance. Possible disbarment of judges who continue to throw a tantrum, replacing them with someone who will follow the law.

    Stop dragging your feet so hard against someone else's rights, Alabama. It's just reconfirming every stereotype about your ignorant, hillybilly ****hole of a state.
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