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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You don't have a clue what your talking about, and France, Germany and Russia aren't the topic, its Hans Blix and the AIEA that had all the access they needed to report to the UN with confidence that THERE WERE NO WMD.

    Since we arrived in Iraq, we have conducted more than 400 inspections covering more than 300 sites. All inspections were performed without notice, and access was almost always provided promptly. In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance that the inspectors were coming.

    The inspections have taken place throughout Iraq at industrial sites, ammunition depots, research centres, universities, presidential sites, mobile laboratories, private houses, missile production facilities, military camps and agricultural sites. At all sites which had been inspected before 1998, re-baselining activities were performed. This included the identification of the function and contents of each building, new or old, at a site. It also included verification of previously tagged equipment, application of seals and tags, taking samples and discussions with the site personnel regarding past and present activities. At certain sites, ground-penetrating radar was used to look for underground structures or buried equipment.

    Full text: Hans Blix's briefing to the UN security council | World news | The Guardian


    Up until they were withdrawn from Iraq on 18 March –- the day before

    armed action began -- United Nations inspectors had found no evidence of the continuation or resumption of programmes of weapons of mass destruction, Hans Blix told the Security Council this morning, as he briefed them for a final time before stepping down at the end of June as head of the inspection team.

    http://www.un.org/press/en/2003/sc7777.doc.htm
    Well, he did keep saying there were no weapons, though, he was not willing to guarantee it, when asked point blank nor could he, as he admitted, know. We all knew, however, that there had been WMD there earlier and that he had not found them. He just had not been allowed to do the work. All he could do was talk the holier than thou talk. That was not his job and was destructive and increased the likelihood of invasion.

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    It's amazing how many leftists want to believe dictators and remain convinced that the only real threats to peace are their own elected leaders. This happened throughout the Cold War with the Communists and now countries like Iraq and Iran. These people are as dangerous as they are stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's amazing how many leftists want to believe dictators and remain convinced that the only real threats to peace are their own elected leaders. This happened throughout the Cold War with the Communists and now countries like Iraq and Iran. These people are as dangerous as they are stupid.
    Says the Canadian that accuses the American president of being a threat to democracy, on a daily basis, irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Well, he did keep saying there were no weapons, though, he was not willing to guarantee it, when asked point blank nor could he, as he admitted, know. We all knew, however, that there had been WMD there earlier and that he had not found them. He just had not been allowed to do the work. All he could do was talk the holier than thou talk. That was not his job and was destructive and increased the likelihood of invasion.
    What a failure at critical thinking. Nobody can prove a negative and only a moron would press for it. What Hans Blix could, and in fact did do, was certify that he was receiving unfettered access, was certain that each time he executed a surprise inspection, Iraqi authorities were surprised and that he never found any WMD. And so, the man charged with the executions of the IAEA inspections, carried them out dutifully, until that day when he and his team were ordered out, Bush was chomping at the bit to launch "shock and awe" without confirmation of his claims. This is why Blix returned home and wrote his report documenting Bush and Blair were determined to launch their war, despite the fact that no WMD could be found.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's amazing how many leftists want to believe dictators and remain convinced that the only real threats to peace are their own elected leaders. This happened throughout the Cold War with the Communists and now countries like Iraq and Iran. These people are as dangerous as they are stupid.
    Heya Grant. What was funnier was those that thought Iran was in compliance. Even with the sanctions.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's amazing how many leftists want to believe dictators and remain convinced that the only real threats to peace are their own elected leaders. This happened throughout the Cold War with the Communists and now countries like Iraq and Iran. These people are as dangerous as they are stupid.
    Carter was all about negotiating with both. He cuddled nicely with Soviet leaders and took a 'soft' wait and hope for the best approach while Americans were systemically raped and tortured..

    Reagan kind of showed just how to deal with Russians. "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"


    Putin is powerful again and Iran is on the rise after years of a 'soft" give them whatever they want we need political points approach with Iran

    So long as the most easy going and often "too nice country" Canada is completely and unequivocally opposed to Iran's nuke program, so am I.

    The more I watch this idiocy unfold I am coming to suspect Canada's inept secret service might actually have better intel from the ME than Washington
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Carter was all about negotiating with both. He cuddled nicely with Soviet leaders and took a 'soft' wait and hope for the best approach while Americans were systemically raped and tortured..

    Reagan kind of showed just how to deal with Russians. "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"


    Putin is powerful again and Iran is on the rise after years of a 'soft" give them whatever they want we need political points approach with Iran

    So long as the most easy going and often "too nice country" Canada is completely and unequivocally opposed to Iran's nuke program, so am I.

    The more I watch this idiocy unfold I am coming to suspect Canada's inept secret service might actually have better intel from the ME than Washington
    Canada is doing itself proud but that isn't getting much play in the US Media.

    Ever since George Kennan's report following WWII American leaders, and the West, worked on 'containment' with Communism (yes, and Carter was hopelessly naive) but Reagan correctly realized it could be defeated. That same attitude doesn't exist now with Islamist terrorism so, of course, it will only get worse. In fact they can't 'contain' it and don't even pretend they can.

    It's hard to predict how much more damage BHO will do, how many more lives will be lost, before another leader is finally elected President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Canada is doing itself proud but that isn't getting much play in the US Media.

    Ever since George Kennan's report following WWII American leaders, and the West, worked on 'containment' with Communism (yes, and Carter was hopelessly naive) but Reagan correctly realized it could be defeated. That same attitude doesn't exist now with Islamist terrorism so, of course, it will only get worse. In fact they can't 'contain' it and don't even pretend they can.

    It's hard to predict how much more damage BHO will do, how many more lives will be lost, before another leader is finally elected President.
    Excellent post.

    See bold, I had not connected those dots. Reagan indeed convince the American people the big one was winnable at a time when they had experienced a serious on unwinnables...

    But here, Obama has created a subliminal in that it can't be won, at least not in his tenure or soon. It began to a degree with GWB who forecast Afghanistan as years with of war...

    But Obama has gone further...even the "no boots on the ground" "teeeny offensive" against ISIS he has forecast will take over a decade, creating a sense of defeatism at the outset.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What a failure at critical thinking. Nobody can prove a negative and only a moron would press for it. What Hans Blix could, and in fact did do, was certify that he was receiving unfettered access, was certain that each time he executed a surprise inspection, Iraqi authorities were surprised and that he never found any WMD. And so, the man charged with the executions of the IAEA inspections, carried them out dutifully, until that day when he and his team were ordered out, Bush was chomping at the bit to launch "shock and awe" without confirmation of his claims. This is why Blix returned home and wrote his report documenting Bush and Blair were determined to launch their war, despite the fact that no WMD could be found.
    No, nobody can prove a negative. What you can do is prove an assumption wrong. At university we called that falsification. Take a hypothesis like: "The WMD the UN found before they were forced to leave after Iraq 1 were destroyed" or some such. You do not think you could falsify that? More or less in simple words that was Blix's mandate. You think he was a moron to accept it? Or do you think he only wanted to get 15 minutes of spotlight and fame?

    The rest is your own wishful thinking.

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    Lol, Carter armed the Mujahideen in their jihad against the Soviet Union.
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