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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    All governments, not unlike individuals, have a public face, and a private face. Iran will do whatever is in Iran's best interests, not unlike the US. Iran is demonised in the press, demonised by the American government, both parties, labeled as the third leg in some ethereal "axis of evil" (prolly another thing god inspired Bush with) and under heavy pressure from economic warfare being waged against them right now. They have a nuclear powered enemy nearby chomping at the bit to "do" something (and we all know what that means) about it, the US has torn a gapping vacuum in the Middle East with the removal or neutralisation of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi, and Assad, and you've got your panties twisted around your throat over something Iran might do, when a nuclear deterrent would be the logical move, from her perspective. But it appears they're holding out on that option. As I've said before, if the nuclear powers rid themselves of these weapons that never can have any legitimacy in warfare, indiscriminate as they are, and locked up all available materials for producing them, this wouldn't even be an issue.
    Say what Monte public or private doesn't change their Word being their bond...... but don't let that part about them being a State Sponsor of Terrorism fool you. While you try and make them out as good guys. Like I said....try!!!!!

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Say what Monte public or private doesn't change their Word being their bond...... but don't let that part about them being a State Sponsor of Terrorism fool you. While you try and make them out as good guys. Like I said....try!!!!!
    You think Obama's word is his bond, lol. Do you think Putins word is his bond, how bout Bush, maybe he's the only one that hasn't lied. I'm not trying to make Iran out as good guys, Iran is what it is. I can't make them good, and you can't make them bad. This constant dripping faucet that Americas always right, and Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, (oh hell I can't list them all, I haven't the time) is always wrong is patronising grade school bull****. Sometimes Iran is wrong and America is right and sometimes America is wrong and Iran is right. That's just how things work.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Steel. Seems that would be based off or conceding the point to the Iranians that they are doing such for peaceful purposes. Which their intentions have shown otherwise. Their behaviors show otherwise, and even their rhetoric shows this.

    Yet even though all of the evidence undisputed for years now is that Iran has violated the commitment it made under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty not to seek nuclear weapons. And this is not just any treaty, this is the treaty that is critical for prevention of proliferation of nuclear weapons.
    Even if you don't concede the point and assume that they want them, the question is what is the best way to prevent them from getting them. If your position is that diplomacy is not the way, then there is no long term solution because the problem cannot be solved long term through military means.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Bo peeps way of attempting to show the Iranians.....that the US is not a threat to them. Only reinforces to them we are weak and rather than have problems with them. We will do what we can to avoid such.

    You don't think should be projected to them do you?
    If the Iranians think that we are so weak then why is it that they are negotiating in the first place? If we are so weak, and if it is as you say that they want to develop nuclear weapons, then there is no need for them to negotiate. We don't negotiate with Iran when we want to build nuclear weapons. We just do it. That is the reality.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Did the US allow a tribunal of countries to determine whether or not we developed a nuclear weapon? This is Iran's business. And hopefully, they will do as they say they are doing and develop nuclear power for civilian purposes. Btw, you failed to respond to the meat of my post, I'd like to know what you think of the rest of it, thanks.
    Well we both know the answer to your first question. Now with regards to getting rid of nuclear weapons, there is only one thing that will accomplish that, and that is a big catastrophe. It appears that is where the world is headed. The problem is that compromise is viewed as appeasement and weakness these days. Some of that is the result of deceptive people who want to influence the political system for their advantage. If the opposition can be labeled as weak, regardless of whether it is true or not, one can get the advantage.

    If I missed something, let me know.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Even if you don't concede the point and assume that they want them, the question is what is the best way to prevent them from getting them. If your position is that diplomacy is not the way, then there is no long term solution because the problem cannot be solved long term through military means.



    If the Iranians think that we are so weak then why is it that they are negotiating in the first place? If we are so weak, and if it is as you say that they want to develop nuclear weapons, then there is no need for them to negotiate. We don't negotiate with Iran when we want to build nuclear weapons. We just do it. That is the reality.
    Your mistake in part A of your answer leads to a bad conclusion in part B in my view. You say that there are only two options. There is a third, which is what congress is proposing. That is to tighten not loosen sanctions. That is where you missed in Part B. The Iranians want it all. They want sanctions to not only not be tightened, but to go away altogether. They also want the ability to build a bomb.

    How to do this? negotiate with Kerry and Obama. They could care less if Iran gets the bomb, especially if they run the clock past 2016, then it is someone else's fault. That is why Obama is going nuclear about Netanyahu's speech to congress. He knows that the public will hear the truth about these negotiations just before the president signs off on them next month.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No, the point is: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

    Fool us fifty-seven times and get nukes and threaten to use them.... one has to wonder what kind of a fool lets that happen.
    So what is your solution to the problem?

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Your mistake in part A of your answer leads to a bad conclusion in part B in my view. You say that there are only two options. There is a third, which is what congress is proposing. That is to tighten not loosen sanctions. That is where you missed in Part B. The Iranians want it all. They want sanctions to not only not be tightened, but to go away altogether. They also want the ability to build a bomb.
    The mistake in your response is that it fails to recognize that sanctions are part of diplomacy. The point of sanctions is to impose negative consequences such that the conditions can be created for positive incentives for compliance. Otherwise sanctions make no sense.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well we both know the answer to your first question. Now with regards to getting rid of nuclear weapons, there is only one thing that will accomplish that, and that is a big catastrophe. It appears that is where the world is headed. The problem is that compromise is viewed as appeasement and weakness these days. Some of that is the result of deceptive people who want to influence the political system for their advantage. If the opposition can be labeled as weak, regardless of whether it is true or not, one can get the advantage.

    If I missed something, let me know.
    I completely agree with your characterisation of the false accusation of appeasement, and see it here all the time.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The mistake in your response is that it fails to recognize that sanctions are part of diplomacy. The point of sanctions is to impose negative consequences such that the conditions can be created for positive incentives for compliance. Otherwise sanctions make no sense.
    Economic war can also backfire and provoke a nation to attack you. Lately our sanction program's have been imposed upon weak or weakfish countries without such abilities, Russia is a bit different situation.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The mistake in your response is that it fails to recognize that sanctions are part of diplomacy. The point of sanctions is to impose negative consequences such that the conditions can be created for positive incentives for compliance. Otherwise sanctions make no sense.
    OK I will accept putting sanctions in the diplomacy bucket. That being the case we should continue to use this lever and increase it as part of out negotiation stance. To give them up for a flawed agreement is a big mistake, as they will be hard if not impossible to put back once we realize (under the next president) that we have been duped.

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