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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Had Saddam let Blix turn the country upside down instead of Bush, there would have needed be no incursion. Everyone would have known, what had happened to the known WMD.
    Oh, he did, and you missed the whole point of Bush telling him (Hans Blix) to get out of the country. WMD was the red herring. Bush intel was fixed around his pre-existing policy of regime change in Iraq.

    BERKELEY – Speaking on the anniversary of the United States' invasion of Iraq, originally declared as a pre-emptive strike against a madman ready to deploy weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), the man first charged with finding those weapons said that the U.S. government has "the same mind frame as the witch hunters of the past" — looking for evidence to support a foregone conclusion.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, he did, and you missed the whole point of Bush telling him (Hans Blix) to get out of the country. WMD was the red herring. Bush intel was fixed around his pre-existing policy of regime change in Iraq.

    BERKELEY – Speaking on the anniversary of the United States' invasion of Iraq, originally declared as a pre-emptive strike against a madman ready to deploy weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), the man first charged with finding those weapons said that the U.S. government has "the same mind frame as the witch hunters of the past" — looking for evidence to support a foregone conclusion.
    There is lots to learn out of the lead up to Iraq2. But you miss all that if you lie about it. I find it silly to do so just for a cheap propaganda missinfo.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    There is lots to learn out of the lead up to Iraq2. But you miss all that if you lie about it. I find it silly to do so just for a cheap propaganda missinfo.
    Who are you accusing of lying, Hans Blix??

    Had the inspections been allowed to continue, Blix said, there would likely be a very different situation in Iraq today. As it was, America's pre-emptive, unilateral actions "have bred more terrorism there and elsewhere."

    Talk about stating the obvious. Ironically the bolded also happens to be the findings of the government NIE of 2006
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Who are you accusing of lying, Hans Blix??

    Had the inspections been allowed to continue, Blix said, there would likely be a very different situation in Iraq today. As it was, America's pre-emptive, unilateral actions "have bred more terrorism there and elsewhere."

    Talk about stating the obvious. Ironically the bolded also happens to be the findings of the government NIE of 2006
    It is true that Blix was part of the problem. You are right.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is true that Blix was part of the problem. You are right.
    Yes... Blix was a part of the problem.......

    He was standing between America telling the Iraqis



    'MERICA!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are you referring to my comment that Iran has maintained all along that their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes?
    Considering the present program had its beginnings in the Iraq- Iran war, it was at a minimum borne as a deterrent to invasion and balancing the Israeli nuke ability.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2.../#time243_7203

    Help From Pakistani Scientist

    In the late 1980s, Abdul Qadeer Khan, a Pakistani metallurgist and the father of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, sells Iran, North Korea and Libya his uranium enrichment technology, and in Libya's case, a bomb design. The transactions do not become public until years later.

    In 2005, the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency is on the verge of reviewing Tehran's nuclear program when Iranian officials admit to a 1987 meeting with Dr. Khan's representatives. But Tehran tells the agency that it turned down the chance to buy the equipment required to build the core of a bomb.

    Nuclear Program Restarts

    The Iran-Iraq war, from 1980 to 1988, changes Iran's thinking about the nuclear program. With Saddam Hussein pursuing a nuclear program in Iraq, Ayatollah Khomeini secretly decides to restart Iran's program and seeks the assistance of German partners to complete the construction at Bushehr, which was damaged by bombs during the war.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Yes... Blix was a part of the problem.......

    He was standing between America telling the Iraqis



    'MERICA!!!!!!!!!!!
    Actually he was not standing in the way, but he strengthened Saddam's belief that the Schröder, Chirac, Putin axis had awakened that he could flaunt the Security Council's resolution and keep his job, because the Axis would protect him.
    He was of marginal importance, though.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Steel. Seems that would be based off or conceding the point to the Iranians that they are doing such for peaceful purposes. Which their intentions have shown otherwise. Their behaviors show otherwise, and even their rhetoric shows this.
    let's see, unlike their regional nemesis, iran is a signatory to the NPT. again, unlike its primary adversary, it has not initiated war against another state in a century, and this very thread is about its senior official expressing his willingness to accept a fairly negotiated agreement to fulfill the nation's obligations under the NPT. once that agreement is signed by the participants, will those of you who oppose iran's nuclear capacity then express support for next compelling a proven aggressor, israel to also become a compliant NPT signatory?

    Yet even though all of the evidence undisputed for years now is that Iran has violated the commitment it made under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty not to seek nuclear weapons. And this is not just any treaty, this is the treaty that is critical for prevention of proliferation of nuclear weapons.
    iran is in compliance with the agreement it has signed:
    http://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R40094.pdf

    Bo peeps way of attempting to show the Iranians.....that the US is not a threat to them. Only reinforces to them we are weak and rather than have problems with them. We will do what we can to avoid such.

    You don't think should be projected to them do you?
    the iranian people are more inclined to adopt western/USA ways than any other moslem nation
    reaching out to them, to again become international partners, would be a good thing for our nation and our world
    which is why the congress and bibi should not be allowed to undermine the current negotiations
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Who are you accusing of lying, Hans Blix??

    Had the inspections been allowed to continue, Blix said, there would likely be a very different situation in Iraq today. As it was, America's pre-emptive, unilateral actions "have bred more terrorism there and elsewhere."

    Talk about stating the obvious. Ironically the bolded also happens to be the findings of the government NIE of 2006
    that was it, the same chickenhawks who want us to engage in war with iran are those who refused to allow Hans Blix the opportunity to complete his assessment of iraq. the realization was that a negative finding by the UN/Blix would immediately eliminate the basis for war
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's see, unlike their regional nemesis, iran is a signatory to the NPT. again, unlike its primary adversary, it has not initiated war against another state in a century, and this very thread is about its senior official expressing his willingness to accept a fairly negotiated agreement to fulfill the nation's obligations under the NPT. once that agreement is signed by the participants, will those of you who oppose iran's nuclear capacity then express support for next compelling a proven aggressor, israel to also become a compliant NPT signatory?


    iran is in compliance with the agreement it has signed:
    http://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R40094.pdf


    the iranian people are more inclined to adopt western/USA ways than any other moslem nation
    reaching out to them, to again become international partners, would be a good thing for our nation and our world
    which is why the congress and bibi should not be allowed to undermine the current negotiations

    Seems that would be in contradiction of what was released on Jan 29th 2015.




    The current international standoff may be traced to 2002, when Iranian dissidents exposed extensive clandestine nuclear activities at the Natanz uranium-enrichment facility and the Arak heavy water reactor, which could be used to produce weapons-grade plutonium. Iran’s nuclear infrastructure was much larger than the regime had ever admitted. Tehran’s subsequent maneuvers eventually led the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), in September 2005, to declare it in non-compliance with the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. The following year, the IAEA referred the Iran file to the United Nations Security Council, whose six subsequent resolutions have underscored the country’s unwavering defiance of the international community.

    As my colleague Benjamin Weinthal recently reported, German Customs’ criminal investigation unit noted in November 2014 that more than two thirds of all its investigations in 2012 and 2013 involved Iranian procurement efforts for sanctioned goods. In late 2013, a German court sentenced three Iranian nationals and one German to prison for procuring valves for the Arak reactor. In another case still pending in an Italian court, a US-owned company is being charged with trying to deliver industrial-sized water chillers to the Islamic Republic to be used in deep underground facilities for the development and production of weapons of mass destruction.

    The US Department of the Treasury, for its part, has used existing sanctions four times in 2014 to target Iranian sanctions evasion networks. These networks have provided Tehran with illicit nuclear procurement, money laundering, and transshipment channels. Treasury has used its powers sparingly, however, and there is little evidence that Iran’s efforts to circumvent sanctions are abating. Instead, Iranian entities targeted by Western and UN sanctions continue to operate under new names.....snip~


    Read more: Iran's History Of Nuclear Deceit Explains Why There Hasn't Been A Deal Yet - Business Insider

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