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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    It did....to things I said. But since I never claimed Iran had any nuclear weapons, your post had nothing to do with mine.



    Have you not read the news the last few years? Iran's nuclear program was believed to be enriching uranium in violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and was not conforming to non-proliferation rules for peaceful use and non-diversion.
    You can read any of the Security Council Resolutions on the topic: Sanctions Committee - 1737 and the IAEA page for Iran is https://www.iaea.org/Publications/Do...infcirc140.pdf
    Signatory non-nuclear countries are pledged to not divert peaceful use of nuclear energy into weapons and to abide by the IAEA protocols.
    To the bolded, laugh out loud. Just like it was "believed" that Saddam Hussein was capable of producing a mushroom cloud over a US city.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Damn it man, what is wrong with you????? When did I say that if believe that the worlds nuclear powers are going to rid themselves of their nuclear capabilities? I said for the umpteenth time, that it is my preference that everybody eliminates nuclear weapons and the world have NONE!!! Why are you stumbling on this concept so?
    C'mon, you've been around long enough to know better. Any way one's argument can be dishonestly misconstrued to score cheap political points, you better believe it's going to happen.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    At some point, the oppression of sanctions become acts of and provocations for war, if a country is militarily strong enough they may strike at you overtly, and if not perhaps covertly. Diplomacy is negotiation not war. Whether it be economic, or militarily.
    A provocation, yes, act of war, no. A blockade is an act of war.
    If talks fail, sanction will increase dramatically.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    EXCEPT I HAVE NEVER POSTED ANY SUCH THING!!!!! I don't want Iran to have a nuke, and I don't want the US or anyone else to have a nuke, sigh.
    i believe he has confused your position with mine
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Those were IRBMs. Relatively short range missiles. The Soviets did not have a reliable ICBM (long range missiles) until 1964.

    Which is why the Soviets put the shorter range missiles in Cuba in the first place.

    Be familiar with the terminology.
    As I said, the Soviets placed both intermediate range ballistic missiles (IRBM) and medium range ballistic missiles (MRBM) in Cuba. I also noted the ranges of both types.

    I was responding to your claim in #207 that the Soviet Union did not have a reliable arsenal of nuclear weapons to deliver against the U.S. until it got the intercontinental missiles it had in 1964. As I noted, President Kennedy and his advisers certainly did not agree with you. They were very sure, as was the rest of the world, that in 1962 the Soviets could have made a very large nuclear missile attack on the U.S.

    I don't know why you repeat that the Soviets did not have a reliable ICBM until 1964, since I never disputed that. I was pointing out that their lack of one in 1962 did not prevent them from devising ways to attack the U.S. with nuclear missiles of shorter range--as they did by placing several dozen of these in Cuba.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    As I said, the Soviets placed both intermediate range ballistic missiles (IRBM) and medium range ballistic missiles (MRBM) in Cuba. I also noted the ranges of both types.

    I was responding to your claim in #207 that the Soviet Union did not have a reliable arsenal of nuclear weapons to deliver against the U.S. until it got the intercontinental missiles it had in 1964. As I noted, President Kennedy and his advisers certainly did not agree with you. They were very sure, as was the rest of the world, that in 1962 the Soviets could have made a very large nuclear missile attack on the U.S.

    I don't know why you repeat that the Soviets did not have a reliable ICBM until 1964, since I never disputed that. I was pointing out that their lack of one in 1962 did not prevent them from devising ways to attack the U.S. with nuclear missiles of shorter range--as they did by placing several dozen of these in Cuba.
    Except that the Soviet missiles never became operational in Cuba before they agreed to remove them. And though the Soviets did try to give the local Soviet general authority to fire them, his authority was actually rescinded BEFORE the earlier communications ever arrived.

    If the Cuban Missile Crisis had "gone hot" the U.S. would've suffered "some" damage. A handful of cities destroyed at most (probably one or two is more realistic) but the U.S.S.R. would've been destroyed.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Iran has maintained from jump street that their nuclear program is commercial and not military in nature.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    EXCEPT I HAVE NEVER POSTED ANY SUCH THING!!!!! I don't want Iran to have a nuke, and I don't want the US or anyone else to have a nuke, sigh.
    You have made several claims that the only possible deduction from them is that you are in favor of Iran gaining nuclear capabilities.

    Such claims are;

    - The claim that Western nations having nukes bothers you more than Iran having it.
    - The claim that Iran isn't trying to gain nukes.
    - The claim that Iran having nukes is as legitimate as any other nation having it.
    - The comparison between Iran and the US.

    Apparently you wanna be dishonest about it, sure go ahead, but don't accuse me of manipulating your words when I clearly haven't.
    If anything that's quite hypocritical considering you've claimed more than once that I supported the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki when I've never stated so.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Because they don't threaten it, exactly the same way as British nukes do not threaten Iran.
    As I pointed to you out in a previous post you've apparently ignored - Israel has had no hostility towards Iran, it is Iran that got up one morning and decided that Israel is an enemy and that it must be destroyed, not the other way around. Please do memorize it so I wouldn't have to say it again in a few months when we'll have the same argument again.
    Iran has no borders with Israel--is not even very close to it. And Israel has never committed any unprovoked aggression against Iran. The regime in Tehran hates Israel not because of anything it has done to Iran, but because it is a Jewish state. The Islamists who rule Iran hate Israel purely because they hate Jews and believe they have no right even to live, just as did their philosophical forbear, the jihadist murderer Ruhollah Khomeini.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If by "the US" by way of a blanket statement, you mean the American collective, then you would be decidedly wrong. But that tiny rudder (those in government that set and execute foreign policy) that steers the very large ship has a long history of infidelities, and it doesn't require standing on the left fringe, or moving over to the right fringe to capture a view of it. It's standing in plain sight.
    Thank you for the confirmation of the point.

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