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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I'm one of those that believe the issue can be solved diplomatically.
    Meaning, stronger sanctions.
    So far the sanctions have had a great effect on Iran's progress, up until the point when the P+5 had decided to ease them up.
    If talks fail - stronger sanctions, save the military option as the last resort.
    The Iranian economy is a basket case due to sanctions. Oil revenues will be even lower with the present situation.
    Not sure on the value of frozen assets?
    They have a host of problems from aging infrastructure, massive corruption, a younger population that sees no jobs, ability to get ahead and they are growing restless.
    The place is a mess.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sorry, you addressed me in post 195, I thought that invited a response.
    It did....to things I said. But since I never claimed Iran had any nuclear weapons, your post had nothing to do with mine.

    The NPT to witch you referred is for nuclear weapons, so how is it that Iran is in violation??
    Have you not read the news the last few years? Iran's nuclear program was believed to be enriching uranium in violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and was not conforming to non-proliferation rules for peaceful use and non-diversion.
    You can read any of the Security Council Resolutions on the topic: Sanctions Committee - 1737 and the IAEA page for Iran is https://www.iaea.org/Publications/Do...infcirc140.pdf
    Signatory non-nuclear countries are pledged to not divert peaceful use of nuclear energy into weapons and to abide by the IAEA protocols.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Yes that's exactly the 'delusional' I have spoken of.
    If you honestly believe that if tomorrow the entire Western world + Pakistan will get rid of their nuclear capabilities then that's the last we've seen of nukes, then you're being absurdly delusional.
    Damn it man, what is wrong with you????? When did I say that if believe that the worlds nuclear powers are going to rid themselves of their nuclear capabilities? I said for the umpteenth time, that it is my preference that everybody eliminates nuclear weapons and the world have NONE!!! Why are you stumbling on this concept so?
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There are people on both the far left and the far right who devote so much of their energies to the notion that the U.S. is bad, that they have difficulty with the concept that anyone else can be.
    Having run across a lot of leftists over the years, I've come to believe many of them are desperate to hide the fact they are ignorant hicks. And they imagine that feigning a worldly, cosmopolitan air, while ascribing to conservatives the very deficiencies they are so conscious of in themselves, helps them do that.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    My view isn't hypocritical in any way and it isn't my objective to stop you from posting mate.
    I'm merely pointing out the dishonesty in suggesting that you aren't holding the opinion that Iran should be allowed to gain nukes when all you did so far is to point out that if it's legitimate for the free world to possess nukes then the same goes for Iran.
    EXCEPT I HAVE NEVER POSTED ANY SUCH THING!!!!! I don't want Iran to have a nuke, and I don't want the US or anyone else to have a nuke, sigh.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    You may have asserted that. But I don't care what you think about how this country's morality compares to that of Khomeinist Iran. I don't want to hear, still one more time, the tired leftist lie that the U.S. brought all this on itself way back in 1953, when it sided with Reza Pahlavi--who had already been Iran's king for a decade--against a crackpot political enemy named Mohammed Mossadegh because he had gotten too cozy with communists. That is only an earlier version of the leftist slander that the U.S. brought 9/11 on itself--whether Jeremiah Wright's claim that it was just America's chickens coming home to roost, or Ward Churchill's equally disgusting comparison of the people murdered at the World Trade Center to the Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann.

    The simple fact is that you are sticking up for the evil pack of Jew-hating Islamic jihadists in Tehran that is doing all it can to acquire nuclear weapons. That regime has always been a strong supporter of terrorism. It is the enemy of both Israel and the United States, with the blood of thousands of Americans on its hands. And yet you continue to do all you can here to defend the Khomeinists and other Islamic jihadists, wherever they may be. That makes your repeated protestations that you are politically neutral and support your country ring hollow. I doubt you are selling anyone here on that. You've made clear that you are willing to let the enemies of the U.S. do whatever they please--that you would not favor the use of force to defend your own country. Thank God there were very few Americans who subscribed to those views in December, 1941.
    To the bolded, Well then I guess I won't give any regard to your views either and then we can both be about other business.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There are people on both the far left and the far right who devote so much of their energies to the notion that the U.S. is bad, that they have difficulty with the concept that anyone else can be.
    If by "the US" by way of a blanket statement, you mean the American collective, then you would be decidedly wrong. But that tiny rudder (those in government that set and execute foreign policy) that steers the very large ship has a long history of infidelities, and it doesn't require standing on the left fringe, or moving over to the right fringe to capture a view of it. It's standing in plain sight.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I'm one of those that believe the issue can be solved diplomatically.
    Meaning, stronger sanctions.
    So far the sanctions have had a great effect on Iran's progress, up until the point when the P+5 had decided to ease them up.
    If talks fail - stronger sanctions, save the military option as the last resort.
    At some point, the oppression of sanctions become acts of and provocations for war, if a country is militarily strong enough they may strike at you overtly, and if not perhaps covertly. Diplomacy is negotiation not war. Whether it be economic, or militarily.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When did he say they were the world's chief supporter of terrorism?
    wtf, I don't know why I'm even opening up your posts to me, lol.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    wtf, I don't know why I'm even opening up your posts to me, lol.
    Did he say that, yes or no?
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